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myredracer

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Posted: 06/13/18 10:09am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SoonerWing03 wrote:

We went and looked at 4 different dealerships this weekend and I was unimpressed to say the least. Going into the weekend I was 95% sure that I would be purchasing a TT in the coming months but now I am about 25%.

My initial thought: They are all the same, just with different stickers and they are all flimsy.
Wow, on the bright side, I have to say I'm really impressed!! Good on ya for doing the research before purchasing and good on ya for digging so deep into it. Most get caught up in things like price, bling, etc. You'll def. be happier in the end and it's better to take your time however aggravating.

Any time we've gone to a show, I've started out thinking there's gotta be at least one TT on display that stands out from the rest. But by the end, the only thing that differentiates them is the logo on the back. Most of them have the same frame (Lippert) and otherwise share the same brand of appliances and components. The differences boil down to build quality, layout and maybe a few features. Sad!

Also to consider is how well a manufacturer and dealer stand behind their warranty. If you read the Trailer Life rag, you'll read of many manufacturers that have reneged on warranty repairs until TL stepped in. Another point is the some dealers don't know how to do repairs properly, if at all. We've had a few things that our dealer couldn't fix right, a few that they couldn't figure out how to fix and towards the end, said they would no longer honor the warranty because I had changed some LED lights (would not hold up in court). If you are handy with tools, you're simply better off fixing things them unless they are major or costly repairs. There'll always be stuff to repair over time anyway.

The only TT that has ever stood out to me at a show was a Nash. Got talking about comparisons to other makes with the factory sales guy. Nash (Northwood Ind.) has def. put thought into some things unlike the competition. Like a larger pass-through compartment door, 1-1/2" drain on the FW tank (instead of 1/2" PEX) for faster emptying and a 2" receiver welded to the frame at the back for ex. They (and all Northwoods products) use their own in-house designed and built frame which is far superior to Lippert.

One thing for sure to look at closely is frames. Check design/build details, axle ratings vs GVWR, tire brand and load range rating vs GVWR. A few TTs have a BAL frame which is a good bet (along with Northwoods frames). There's just so many things you can look at right down to small things like fit and finish of cabinetry and dinette, can you see the TV from the seating, where do you put a garbage container and where do you hang jackets.

It may sound crazy, but you might even consider hiring an independent RV tech to inspect a TT you have on your short list to get their opinion. Could save you thousands of $$ in the end. Beware of people that save they have a brand & model ABC and it has been great. Some people can have the identical unit and have nothing but problems. I was shocked to see how poor the build quality of friend's Keystone TT was. JMO, but I think some folks are willing to accept substandard workmanship as normal in these things or can't recognize it. I see every dang flaw because of my background and some (like DW) can't see any even if I show them to her.

Choose wisely. Easier said than done tho.

* This post was edited 06/13/18 10:18am by myredracer *


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Wow, things must have slipped a lot in the few years since we began RVing in 2002. Our first TT was an 18' Pioneer by Fleetwood. It was definitely an entry level TT. We had zero problems with it over the 4 years. It had large tanks and while there were some compromises on quality over cost we had no complaints. We sold it and bought a new 2006 Cougar 243RKS by Keystone. We loved the layout and the spaciousness compared to our previous TT. It was 2 years before we went on a camping trip without problems. Some of the issues were big (engineering type) and others not so big. The dealer was awful. Often it took 2 or 3 trips and the issues were not fixed. Keystone was great in helping us but the folks holding the tools were incompetent. Finally after 2 years of sorting, the TT held up well and we enjoyed it for several more years. I became an excellent RV tech.

Things today seem to be much worse. I'm also considering a new TT but I am looking at Grand design and Arctic Fox.


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Posted: 06/13/18 12:03pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SoundGuy wrote:

SoonerWing03 wrote:

We went and looked at 4 different dealerships this weekend and I was unimpressed to say the least.

Today I am feeling overwhelmed and disheartened.


2012Coleman wrote:

What brands and dealers?


Generally poor manufacturing quality and inadequate dealer support is an RV industry wide issue so it doesn't really matter, does it? [emoticon]
I don't really care what you think - I wasn't asking you. [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon]


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Posted: 06/13/18 12:58pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SoonerWing03 wrote:

We went and looked at 4 different dealerships this weekend and I was unimpressed to say the least.

Today I am feeling overwhelmed and disheartened.


2012Coleman wrote:

What brands and dealers?


SoundGuy wrote:

Generally poor manufacturing quality and inadequate dealer support is an RV industry wide issue so it doesn't really matter, does it? [emoticon]


2012Coleman wrote:

I don't really care what you think - I wasn't asking you. [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon] [emoticon]


Wow, touchy ... got out of the wrong side of the bed again? [emoticon]

My point stands - with rare exception there's really no such thing as "quality" in the N American RV industry so the OP's reaction, whether he realizes it or not, wouldn't be unusual. [emoticon]

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Just toured the Airstream factory a few hours ago. Made me think of this thread. It was the first time I've ever been impressed by the TT industry. I'm sitting here now in my TT made of cardboard and staples and it is hard to be excited...


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Sunnybrook used to make a decent trailer for the money. They had some of the lowest employee turnover rates in the biz. I have been happy with my Sunset Creek other than a few issues along the way. Now that they have been bought by Winnebago I don't know how good they are. Might be worth a look.


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