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wolfe10 wrote:

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jplante4 wrote:

I believe most people just watch the "All" category.

Exactly what I do...


I do as well.

Yep, I click on 'Newest' and read whatever interests me.

If they split Class A into two catagories, shouldn't they do the same for Class B and C? They're made in gas and diesel.

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Hey, go for it. As most others do I read them all because you never know that you will learn.

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magicbus wrote:

Having owned both a gasser and a DP I would offer that other than the engine and the brakes they have pretty much the same class A issues and concerns. Maybe under the Tech Issues I could see a different category, but not sure I understand why under Class A.

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And then divide them by chassis or maybe engine. Or maybe cheap ones and expensive ones, or maybe old ones and new ones. Some have a gas engine in the back. Some gas A's even have a tag axle.
I also read the newest so it wouldn't matter to me but I like them grouped together, many that have one may have had the other and could help someone with a question.





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magicbus wrote:

dubdub07 wrote:

magicbus wrote:

Having owned both a gasser and a DP I would offer that other than the engine and the brakes they have pretty much the same class A issues and concerns. Maybe under the Tech Issues I could see a different category, but not sure I understand why under Class A.

Dave


I have only owned a DP, and I can tell you from reading all the posts it seems the two have quite different issues.

Maybe it would help me to understand if you could give me a few examples where a Class A DP would have different issues than a Class A gasser (other than engine or brakes).

Dave


Well Dave,
There are actually quite a few differences in the two. About 99.99% of the gassers utilize a CONVERTER/CHARGER for most 12v operations including but, not limited to, charging of the house batteries. Where as about 99.9999% of the diesels out there utilize an INVERTER/CHARGER for the same application. And, that inverter is normally considerably larger than any inverter in most gassers, as supplied from the factory and, being it's a larger inverter, it will normally power up many more outlets than what most factory supplied smaller inverters in gas coaches. That's something that may, or may not be of importance to some.

Second, since it's a diesel engine, there are considerable difference in engine wiring and control factors. The frames of diesel coaches are normally heavier and, yes, that means the brakes are usually larger and more efficient and, also, the lower end diesels might have an EXHAUST BRAKE whereas the more upper end ones, might have a multi-stage COMPRESSION BRAKE.

Most gassers might have what's called a "Tow-haul" mode in the trans which alters the way the trans is shifted vs the amount of power needed and the speed at which the vehicle is traveling at the time.

Most generators in diesels are larger than the ones in gas units. And I was going to say that, for years, most gassers used a 30A service while most diesels used a 50A service but, that's kind-a changed in the last few years. I think in that respect, they're both pretty equal now.

The fact that about 99.9% of the diesels have the engine in the rear is pretty important to many folks due to the low levels of noise in the cab area for driving where as, the gas engine up front, does provide with more Dbs for a louder atmosphere for driving, especially during hill climbs.

A good quality, higher end gas coach, with the heavy duty chassis i.e. 22.5 wheels, can be fairly close to most of the qualities of a lower end diesel, of the same year and length.
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Thanks Fire Up. So the Inverter/harger is different. I never noticed when I went from gas to diesel. Everything else you mentioned is engine and braking, which I already said were different. As I said earlier, I think those are tech issues, not Class A issues. I've had both and now I have a "diesel puller" and none of the Class A issues but I do miss my compression brake [emoticon].

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For whatever reason, I think I see your point. So I guess we should just put travel trailers and fifth wheels in one category. Pull behinds.


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dubdub07 wrote:

Not that this is a "mine is different so it's better" thread, but at a minimum we could get DP on the drop down to better sort the the gassers from the DPs. Not much similar in the two.

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So a gas coach does not have (or only a DP has) -
1. 12VDC powered devices
2. Tires that need pressure set by weight
3. Roof leaks
4. Entry steps that fail
5. Propane distribution
6. Absorption fridge that never fail
7. Batteries of some type
8. Owners that boondock
9. Various state taxes
10. Residential fridge
11. TV RF Distribution systems
12. Satellite service
13. 30 or 50 amp AC power
14. Tires that need replacing
15. Televisions
16. Frameless windows
17. A potable water tank
18. Waste water tanks
19. The need for an aftermarket TPMS
20. A generator
21. Full body paint
22. Fiberglass roofs
23. Wheel simulators
24. Windshields that crack
25. Potential for delamination
26. A used vehicle market
27. A tow hitch
28. Propane/electric water heater
29. Roof mounted air conditioners
30. Propane forced air heating
31. Booth or freestanding dinetts
32. The need to winterize
33. Shower skylights
34. Door locks that break locking the owner in or out
35. Propane, CO and smoke detection alarms
36. AC power transfer switch
37. Poor fuel usage rate
38. Roof fans
39. A leveling or stabilizing system
and the list goes on,,,,

For what it's worth Class A's are a very small percentage of the total RV marketplace and DP ownership makes up well under half of group. Being that you all are in the minority at a minimum we could,,,


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jplante4 wrote:

I believe most people just watch the "All" category.


I've been watching 'All' and did not even notice there were all of the other groups under Class A Motorhomes. My bad but it is good the way it is. Once you add DP you will need to put the others under it also.


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dalenoel wrote:

jplante4 wrote:

I believe most people just watch the "All" category.


I've been watching 'All' and did not even notice there were all of the other groups under Class A Motorhomes. My bad but it is good the way it is. Once you add DP you will need to put the others under it also.


The only advantage to having different categories is when you're searching for a topic in, say Upgrades, which no one does anyway.

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