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demiles

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Posted: 07/06/18 02:15pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Are RAM and Chevy trucks crew cab 8 ft.bed like the Ford? Are all of them diesel power? Does any of them have snow plow prep front springs or camper pkg? There’s a lot of unknowns just looking at the stickers of each.


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Posted: 07/06/18 02:20pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The explanation is why people shouldn’t take the stickers for gospel. The loads on the stickers only marginally represent the vehicles capabilities.


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ShinerBock wrote:

..... I was looking for an explanation from those people on how a truck with less GAWR can have a higher GVWR.
i provided one possible explanation. In short, there is no direct correlation between GAWR and GVWR. You can have 10 ton axles on a 5 ton frame.

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Posted: 07/06/18 02:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

demiles wrote:

Are RAM and Chevy trucks crew cab 8 ft.bed like the Ford?


The Ford is a long wheel base, my Ram is a short bed, anf GM is a short bed.


demiles wrote:

Are all of them diesel power?
All are diesels.

demiles wrote:

Does any of them have snow plow prep front springs or camper pkg?
Not sure.


demiles wrote:

There’s a lot of unknowns just looking at the stickers of each.


Yes, but I think you are missing my point. My point is why does a truck that has less GAWR have a higher GVWR. Shouldn't a truck a 12,500 combined GAWR have a higher GVWR that a truck that only has an 11,940 combined GAWR?

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ShinerBock wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Simply a matter of 'Classification' ----No mystery involved



I was looking for an explanation from those people on how a truck with less GAWR can have a higher GVWR.


I am confused by this statement. Does this have to do with your post on another thread. Because you gave no examples like this here. All combined axle limits were higher than GVWR. Unless I miss read something.

Or are you making comparisons between different trucks. Because if you are, if you are not bald now you will be trying to rationalize this variance.

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nickthehunter wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

..... I was looking for an explanation from those people on how a truck with less GAWR can have a higher GVWR.
i provided one possible explanation. In short, there is no direct correlation between GAWR and GVWR. You can have 10 ton axles on a 5 ton frame.


And I rebutted that explanation with more information just like any other convo between two people.

In regards to the frame, my 2500 is formed from the same steel and has the same strength as the 3500 which has a higher GVWR. Everything else on the truck is the same as a 3500 too. So the truck itself can handle more than the 6,500 GAWR of the rear axle to know that it is not the weak link here which makes the "10 ton axle on a 5 ton frame" a moot point.

* This post was edited 07/06/18 02:55pm by ShinerBock *

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mich800 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Simply a matter of 'Classification' ----No mystery involved



I was looking for an explanation from those people on how a truck with less GAWR can have a higher GVWR.


I am confused by this statement. Does this have to do with your post on another thread. Because you gave no examples like this here. All combined axle limits were higher than GVWR. Unless I miss read something.

Or are you making comparisons between different trucks. Because if you are, if you are not bald now you will be trying to rationalize this variance.


No, my point is why does a truck that has less front GAWR, less rear GAWR, and less combined GAWR have a higher GVWR. Basically I am asking why does a truck with a 12,500 combined GAWR have a 10k GVWR while a truck that only has an 11,940 combined GAWR have an 11.5k GVWR?

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ShinerBock wrote:

mich800 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Simply a matter of 'Classification' ----No mystery involved



I was looking for an explanation from those people on how a truck with less GAWR can have a higher GVWR.


I am confused by this statement. Does this have to do with your post on another thread. Because you gave no examples like this here. All combined axle limits were higher than GVWR. Unless I miss read something.

Or are you making comparisons between different trucks. Because if you are, if you are not bald now you will be trying to rationalize this variance.


No, my point is why does a truck that has less front GAWR, less rear GAWR, and less combined GAWR have a higher GVWR. Basically I am asking why does a truck with a 12,500 combined GAWR have a 10k GVWR while a truck that only has an 11,940 combined GAWR have an 11.5k GVWR?


The short answer is because they want to. You are going down a rabbit hole that will only lead to more questions than answers.

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mich800 wrote:



The short answer is because they want to. You are going down a rabbit hole that will only lead to more questions than answers.


Then why do people here abide by GVWR and payloads so much if they are just made up?

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Posted: 07/06/18 03:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If you want to ignore the manufacturer ratings go ahead. I don’t think anyone here gives a _____ what you do with your own truck.

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