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Grit dog

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Posted: 07/08/18 10:48am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Meh, there's a few peeps on here that would need a quick trip to the ER for an AED if they saw what was hooked to my 1500 Silvy in the driveway for a trip over Chinook and Cayuse Pass in the morning!

It's ok though. Truck may look like a 1/2 ton but it identifies as a 2500! It's ok to do that here in liberal WA!


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Posted: 07/08/18 10:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Grit dog wrote:

Meh, there's a few peeps on here that would need a quick trip to the ER for an AED if they saw what was hooked to my 1500 Silvy in the driveway for a trip over Chinook and Cayuse Pass in the morning!

It's ok though. Truck may look like a 1/2 ton but it identifies as a 2500! It's ok to do that here in liberal WA!


Oh come on, post a picture so the RV NET Weight Police can weight in.


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As on CVEO said in a class I took on what is / is not legal weight wise here in Wa St. Manufactures warranty ratings are performance ratings, for warranty purposes ONLY! What matters, is you are paid for to the total GVW that you are running down the road at! Axel loads are the key also. You can be under a gvw, over an axel load, and be overweight, get ticketed accordingly.
If you want to run down the road at 100K lbs total, with my old 76 Toyota, it would be legal weight wise...... depending upon how else you had things connected etc, you might be illegal otherwise! They have many many ways of getting an unsafe rig off the road. Weight is not usually what gets one in trouble.
I could go thru a list of items that will get you in trouble worst than weight! Like a battery that is used to get brakes working if disconnected from tow rig. If you use your house batteries, and you were using them all night for heat etc. you get pulled over and they are under 11.5V, you have a failed braking system! That goes against your license, vs weight is a non moving violation, and does not follow you. You can not move until the batteries meet the 11.5+V measurement.
If your brakes on the trailer will not hold your truck starting out in first gear, or at least are not locked up, you have a failed braking system. You can not move your rig until the brakes work on the trailer.
I can go on and on on how you can get yourself in trouble, All of these latter issues, again, go against your driving record, insurance etc. DO NOT WORRY about weight amounts! assuming you have a paid for license above what you weight. Even then, like in my case a few times, where I was 500-1000 over, I got a 10 day up the license by a ton, $15 more in registration fees. Whooooppy doooo! I continue on my way down the road! I will also point out, I was under the axel weight limits for my truck(s) and trailer(s).

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Me Again wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

Meh, there's a few peeps on here that would need a quick trip to the ER for an AED if they saw what was hooked to my 1500 Silvy in the driveway for a trip over Chinook and Cayuse Pass in the morning!

It's ok though. Truck may look like a 1/2 ton but it identifies as a 2500! It's ok to do that here in liberal WA!


Oh come on, post a picture so the RV NET Weight Police can weight in.


My sons trucks, one a Toyota Tacoma ext cab, other a Chev 1500 are both licensed at 8000 lbs. Same as my C2500. All three can go down the road at 8000 lbs and be legal. Reality is, those two can go down the road heavier than I can, as they have wider tires, so they can displace more weight from a point load to the road stand point. WHICH is what the weight police enforce! point loads to the road bed, so as to not destroy the roads we the people own, pay taxes on etc. THAT is the engineer based requirement we ALL have to obide by!
Chris, I know you know that, I believe Grit Dog knows that, and a few others.......there is a few that do not understand it, nor will probably EVER get their head wrapped around how the weight laws really work!

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Posted: 07/08/18 11:12am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yes...pic Grit Dog, or you are just BSing us with that overload!

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Well, I'll go first...this is an old picture from early 90s. In the truck bed...a GoldWing, with fairing removed (in camper) a dirt bike on each side of Wing, and filled in all spaces around them with gear. Next, with truck sagging badly, I hooked up the TT. No problem, after installing bars on WDH, I was good to go. Over weight... don't know, maybe, didn't matter, got me there and back.

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ShinerBock wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

I’ll tell him (hopefully once he hears it he’ll be done).
Shiner - you are indeed smarter than the manufacturers. The manufacturer’s engineers are stupid and know nothing about the products they are designing. You indeed have figured it out and everyone here should ignore the manufacturer’s ratings and go by the “Sihiner Ratings” instead.


Actually I used to work for said manufactures and on the dealership level for over 20 years now. One of my jobs throughout those years was to spec out trucks for our medium and heavy duty customers to ensure they were well within their axle ratings and legal for what they were using their truck for.

It was not uncommon to take a class 7 or 8 truck and de-rate it for a customer to class 6 so they did not have to pay higher registration costs. Many of these customers only needed the class 7 or 8 capabilities off road and were generally empty on road. So yeah, I know how common it is to de-rate a trucks GVWR even though the truck itself can handle more just for registration purposes.
BS - the only thing they did was register it at less than it’s GVWR, it still had the same GVWR as set by the manufacturer regardless of what the license plate said. Nothing was derated.


Nope, it is not BS. I, the manufacturer, purposely de-rated a class 7 & 8 trucks with a class 6 GVWR. Very similar to how Ford de-rates certain class 3 F350's to fit into s class 2B GVWR, how they de-rated the class 4 F450 (pick-up only) to fit into a class 3 GVWR, and how they will de-rate certain class 7 F750's to fit into a class 6 GVWR. It really does happen more than you think especially in the medium and heavy duty industry.


If the 10k GVWR F350 does not illustrate this point enough for some to understand you are wasting your time in this debate.

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ShinerBock wrote:

Nope, it is not BS. I, the manufacturer, purposely de-rated a class 7 & 8 trucks with a class 6 GVWR. Very similar to how Ford de-rates certain class 3 F350's to fit into s class 2B GVWR, how they de-rated the class 4 F450 (pick-up only) to fit into a class 3 GVWR, and how they will de-rate certain class 7 F750's to fit into a class 6 GVWR. It really does happen more than you think especially in the medium and heavy duty industry.


That’s exactly what I think was done with the 2015-2016 F450 pickups. They were in every way that mattered identical to the 2008-2010 F450’s, and could have retained the class 4 GVWR.

For reasons unknown to me, they WANTED it to be a class 3 truck. I’d bet money the reasons involved some marketing types whining about how the F450 pickup was stealing sales from the F450 cab and chassis.

In some states it may also make the truck easier to register and insure, but I didn’t have that problem.

Of course now you have the “problem” of being able to configure an F350 with a higher (on-paper) payload than the F450.

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Posted: 07/09/18 08:46am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Sent my question to the guys over at TFL. This is how they answered it (sort of). LINK

* This post was edited 07/09/18 08:54am by ShinerBock *

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