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turbojimmy

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Posted: 07/11/18 06:49am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Overweight concerns aside, hanging that bike off the back of the trailer is definitely contributing to your issue. It has a lot of leverage back there. What's it weigh - 600-700 lbs? My Thunderbird 900cc weighs 500 lbs and yours looks considerably bigger.


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Posted: 07/11/18 06:59am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Even at 17% you are pin light. Rather than the lift, you should have gotten one of those 5th wheel dollies and put the bike in the bed of the truck. Even an Idaho Tote would add weight at the rear.

As the saying goes, "wrong tool eh!"


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Posted: 07/11/18 07:13am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

turbojimmy wrote:

Overweight concerns aside, hanging that bike off the back of the trailer is definitely contributing to your issue. It has a lot of leverage back there. What's it weigh - 600-700 lbs? My Thunderbird 900cc weighs 500 lbs and yours looks considerably bigger.


The bike weighs 800 lbs. The lift and hitch add another 250 lbs to the set up.


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Posted: 07/11/18 07:21am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I can't find the 2008 but the 2007 version of your trailer has a GVWR of 15,500. So if the trailer axles weighed in at 14,440, that would suggest either you have only around 1,000lb pin weight (massively too low of a percentage) or you are well over the GVWR of the trailer.

The tare weigh of the truck doesn't make sense. Most 3/4 or 1 ton trucks tare out around 6-7k lbs. Was that the rear axle tare weight?

Assuming yes...that would give you a pin weight of around 2000lbs (or less if you had cargo in the bed. At 20-25%, you should be up around 3000-3800lb pin weight, so you are way light even with the water moved forward. It was likely even worse with the liquid further back.

So problems:
- Well over GVWR.
- Very light on pin weight

Adding a 1000lb of pin weight to get up to 20%, likely means 1200-1500lb of shot as far forward as possible and that much more over GVWR.

Not sure the exact weight of your cycle and lift, but that could easily be taking 800lb off the pin since it's so far back. A much better option than adding more weight to an overloaded 5er is to remove weight from the back. I'm not a big fan of double towing but that's probably a better option than the current setup.


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Posted: 07/11/18 07:22am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Me Again wrote:

Even at 17% you are pin light. Rather than the lift, you should have gotten one of those 5th wheel dollies and put the bike in the bed of the truck. Even an Idaho Tote would add weight at the rear.

As the saying goes, "wrong tool eh!"


I had pondered other options prior to building the lift. The lift is what I want. Before starting this project I realized I might have to add a third axle before being totally satisfied.

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Posted: 07/11/18 07:37am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

valhalla360 wrote:

I can't find the 2008 but the 2007 version of your trailer has a GVWR of 15,500. So if the trailer axles weighed in at 14,440, that would suggest either you have only around 1,000lb pin weight (massively too low of a percentage) or you are well over the GVWR of the trailer.

The tare weigh of the truck doesn't make sense. Most 3/4 or 1 ton trucks tare out around 6-7k lbs. Was that the rear axle tare weight?

Assuming yes...that would give you a pin weight of around 2000lbs (or less if you had cargo in the bed. At 20-25%, you should be up around 3000-3800lb pin weight, so you are way light even with the water moved forward. It was likely even worse with the liquid further back.

So problems:
- Well over GVWR.
- Very light on pin weight

Adding a 1000lb of pin weight to get up to 20%, likely means 1200-1500lb of shot as far forward as possible and that much more over GVWR.

Not sure the exact weight of your cycle and lift, but that could easily be taking 800lb off the pin since it's so far back. A much better option than adding more weight to an overloaded 5er is to remove weight from the back. I'm not a big fan of double towing but that's probably a better option than the current setup.


With 17 % pin weight the trailer pulls very nice, I don't need to be in the 20-25% range although adding a third axle will put me in that range when the bike is not loaded.

I have a nice enclosed trailer I have double towed behind this trailer. It tows very nice and safe. The problem is the BC government dosn't want us double towing in that province. I want to be able to bring the bike into BC.

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Posted: 07/11/18 07:48am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I've towed our 40' toyhauler in very strong gusty winds and felt no deleterious effects. I believe your problems with the wind causing bad handling is because you have such a low pin weight. As was mentioned even 17 percent is a low pin weight.

I can understand not wanting to double tow, or being unable to double tow, but it does appear that your solution is not a good solution. We bought our toyhauler because trying to take our bikes with us without one just wasn't working out. Sometimes you just have to look for a better alternative. It may be preferable to possible serious issues in the future. Ending up in the ditch is not to be desired.


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Posted: 07/11/18 08:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well nobody else asked so I will. You had a stressful drive up and trailer handled badly so you are riding the bike back and throw it in your wifes lap to drive the poorly handling trailer back.

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Posted: 07/11/18 08:30am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

What axles are on your trailer?

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SidecarFlip wrote:

kerrlakeRoo wrote:

3 maybe 4 cases of beer in the forward storage compartment.
Done.


Capital idea. That way you have your 'beverage' with you.

That will only work on the way out. How about the return trip?

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