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Posted: 09/15/18 06:46pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Interesting point. I agree that it would seem strange to drop a relatively new motor from production. I wonder if details will emerge at the State Fair of TX as per the Ford norm...


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I can see a actual big block gazzer in the higher GVWR F350 SRW and DRW trucks leaving the smaller 6.2 for F250 and maybe some of the 10k gvwr one ton SRW trucks.

More than one Ford truck owner bit into the 6.2 towing a 15k lb trailer then complained about performance and then swapping for the 6.7 diesel.
The seven three big block would fill the void between the 6.2 and 6.7 diesel.


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Ford just developed a new version of the torqueshift transmission for the F-250 6.2 for 2017. I doubt they are going to throw all that development $$ away and dump the 6.2 along with it 3 years down the road unless there is a major market shift or some other unforeseeable event. That kind of poor development $$ spend will get you fired quick like.


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Ford just developed a new version of the torqueshift transmission for the F-250 6.2 for 2017. I doubt they are going to throw all that development $$ away and dump the 6.2 along with it 3 years down the road unless there is a major market shift or some other unforeseeable event. That kind of poor development $$ spend will get you fired quick like.


They develop transmissions for general power and torque ratings, not specific engines. I doubt that the new transmission will be discarded just because a new engine came out, especially one that was in development when the transmission was released.

The biggest threat to the new transmission is electric drive trains. I drove a Model 3 dual motor a few days ago and learned what power really is. Keep in mind that Tesla is using the same motor package in their new class 8's so don't say that they are not sturdy enough for a pickup. They do plan to use 4 in the class 8's but that still leaves them plenty sturdy for a pickup.

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Maybe they will have both engines available like RAM does. 6.2L for the XL and XLT (work truck) and the 7.3L for the Lariat etc. It's a money maker to upcharge for the bigger gas engine.


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The biggest threat to the new transmission is electric drive trains. I drove a Model 3 dual motor a few days ago and learned what power really is. Keep in mind that Tesla is using the same motor package in their new class 8's so don't say that they are not sturdy enough for a pickup. They do plan to use 4 in the class 8's but that still leaves them plenty sturdy for a pickup.
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Maybe but the massive battery pack would drastically cut into the payload and I don't see an electric getting 500 miles/tank like my diesel does. It's 'Pie in the Sky' as Joe Hill once said.
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agesilaus wrote:

The biggest threat to the new transmission is electric drive trains. I drove a Model 3 dual motor a few days ago and learned what power really is. Keep in mind that Tesla is using the same motor package in their new class 8's so don't say that they are not sturdy enough for a pickup. They do plan to use 4 in the class 8's but that still leaves them plenty sturdy for a pickup.
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Maybe but the massive battery pack would drastically cut into the payload and I don't see an electric getting 500 miles/tank like my diesel does. It's 'Pie in the Sky' as Joe Hill once said.
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I am not ready to go full electric yet, mostly until charge stations become more common and more powerful but they are coming. I would love a serious hybrid based on a two wheel drive truck with the front axle driven by an electric motor of 200hp or more and about 50 times the battery pack that Ram is using. It will be interesting to see what Ford comes out with in 2020.

You may not have read the reports but Tesla seems to be getting 600 miles per charge on the class 8 prototypes and they have a very useful payload. It can and will be done sooner or later. Probably sooner if Elon has his way. The battery packs probably won't weigh any more than a Cummins with transmission. A few numbers to chew on, in this country Tesla outsold BMW last month and the Model 3 brought in more revenue than any other car. Be careful not to get the deer in the headlights look when he starts making pickups.

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You may not have read the reports but Tesla seems to be getting 600 miles per charge on the class 8 prototypes and they have
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I have read some reports, and what the press releases say and what actually comes off the production line are two completely different things. If anything comes off the production line. Color me skeptical of vaporware claims.

As far as I can tell these people are aiming for the sensible target of commercial trucks, plumbers and electricians ect. They can live with a reduced payload and don't need in many cases, great range. I flatly disbelieve that they can produce a HD truck with a 3000 pound payload and a 600 mile range.

You may not know this but there isn't a lot of room for theoretical improvement in chemical batteries. Certainly not a doubling or more of capacity. And producing a battery with 60 times the current capacity would mean a battery 50 times or so the weight and volume. And would take a dedicated gas turbine generator to charge at 3000 volts....heh. And don't try the theory can be wrong line, chemistry is a very well understood science. Especially this sort of inorganic chemistry. Look at noble prizes in Chemistry most of them have been going to biologists or biochemists. There isn't much new being discovered in basic chemistry these days.

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You may not know this but there isn't a lot of room for theoretical improvement in chemical batteries. Certainly not a doubling or more of capacity. And producing a battery with 60 times the current capacity would mean a battery 50 times or so the weight and volume. And would take a dedicated gas turbine generator to charge at 3000 volts....heh. And don't try the theory can be wrong line, chemistry is a very well understood science. Especially this sort of inorganic chemistry. Look at noble prizes in Chemistry most of them have been going to biologists or biochemists. There isn't much new being discovered in basic chemistry these days.


There are a whole lot of people spending a bunch of money trying to do what you say is impossible and seem to be having some pretty good success at it. I guess that they just aren't nearly as smart as you. And, Elon is building about 10,000 new charge stations per year charging at 480V and so far is using solar panels, not turbines to power them.

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There are a whole lot of people spending a bunch of money trying to do what you say is impossible and seem to be having some pretty good success at it. I guess that they just aren't nearly as smart as you. And, Elon is building about 10,000 new charge stations per year charging at 480V and so far is using solar panels, not turbines to power them.
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No they are trying to push the technology that last 25 or 50%. Or develop other chemistries that don't use Lithium which has a lot of drawbacks. And if you track these 'wow a NEW wonder device!" press releases you'll find that many if not most never make it off the lab bench.

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