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toedtoes

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I agree with you BCSnob. You cannot assume any behavior with any dog regardless of breed. There are many factors that can warp a "standard" behavior. But, just as you cannot assume that a particular dog of a breed cannot behave in a certain manner because of genetics, you cannot assume that a particular dog of a breed WILL behave in a certain manner because of genetics. You have to evaluate each dog on its own merits.


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BCSnob wrote:

Perhaps what is needed is a more extensive test than the canine good citizen; one that includes bits of Schutzhund to assess for aggression and self control when presented with stimuli that would trigger human aggression.


Amen to that. Just read of a lady killed by her 2 "boxer mix" dogs: she apparently enjoyed "wrestling" with them in the yard - and for whatever reason, something set them off with some serious aggression :-(
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YIKES !!!!!





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A TC pulled up next to us at the Sister's Creekside municipal CG with 2 small dogs (their own) and a big Pit( their sons), which was a rescue. While registering at the office outside beside a 5th wheel, there was the sound of a violent dog fight. Next thing,a young guy doing some construction work at the CG came running up and asked for a bucket and water.Filled it up and ran off. My wife who was walking to the showers,saw everything.
The Pit from the TC was being walked on a leash when another camper with a young shepherd on a leash came together for a sniff. Pit lunged, grabbed the other dog by the throat and 4 men could not break his hold of the shepherd. Only when the bucket of water was dumped on the Pit did it disengage.
Police from Bend K9 arrived as did the SPCA. Pit was put in a vehicle and police talked to the guy in the TC who's hand required medical attention. Never saw the Pit again, TC folks left soon after. According to the CG manager, Pit has a record of other attacks. He said that as a municipal CG, they can't exclude any dog as long as the owners follow the rules.
Talked to the Shepherd's owner who said he and the dog were both traumatized as well as my wife who witnessed the whole scene.
Interesting that a bucket of water on the Pit was more effective releasing the Pits bite than 4 grown males.

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While I do not support breed restrictions I do understand the rationale behind them.
We cannot predict the behavior of any dog or human just by looking at them.
This is what stereotypes are all about and why we should not make judgements based on stereotypes.
Nevertheless if I were called to subdue an aggravated person
I would hope to encounter "Pee Wee Herman" vs. Hulk Hogan",or if there is an aggressive dog that needs to be subdued I like my chances with a Yorkie vs. a Pitbull.
Everything is manageable on paper but I don't want to tangle with Hulk Hogan or a Pitbull.


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As with most all encounters, being a paranoid owner will prevent many of these issues. No matter how friendly my dog is, I would never let it "approach a strange dog for a sniff". Regardless of the other dog's breed, I will kepp our distance. If it is someplace where the dogs will be required to interact, I will FIRST talk to the other owner. Getting a sense for the owner is the best way to get a first impression of the dog. Does the person use terms like "he wouldn't hurt a fly" or "he just loves other dogs"? Does the person want to "just let them say hello"? In my experience these are danger signs. Why? Because they don't question the other dog at all. They believe that dogs will all get along regardless of everything else.

As for the bucket of water being more effective, think about it like a dog. You are overcome with fear or aggression to the point of fighting - you are in the "fight" of a fight or flight mode. Suddenly, you are being grabbed at the neck. All you know is that you are in a fight and something has gone for your neck. Suddenly you are fighting two enemies not one.

With the water, you are at that point and suddenly are shocked out of your "fight or die" thought process by something completely out of the norm. You lose your momentum rather than believe you are losing the fight.

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Big strong dogs can be dangerous. Some people fear them. You are going to have to deal with the prejudice against your breed whether he deserves it or not.

We have a no kill shelter in the county where I live. About 3/4 of the dogs in there are pits or pit crosses. People seem to be very lax about breeding them and they are hard to adopt out.

I have thought about volunteering at the shelter, but I don't really want to walk a bunch of pit bulls that have been turned in by other people.

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toedtoes wrote:

As with most all encounters, being a paranoid owner will prevent many of these issues. No matter how friendly my dog is, I would never let it "approach a strange dog for a sniff". Regardless of the other dog's breed, I will kepp our distance. If it is someplace where the dogs will be required to interact, I will FIRST talk to the other owner. Getting a sense for the owner is the best way to get a first impression of the dog. Does the person use terms like "he wouldn't hurt a fly" or "he just loves other dogs"? Does the person want to "just let them say hello"? In my experience these are danger signs. Why? Because they don't question the other dog at all. They believe that dogs will all get along regardless of everything else.


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I follow your methods, also. Our Kaylee has NO manners, gets in every dog's face, thinks every dog (and person) loves her and wants her to lick them. She doesn't have an off switch and has never learned that that behavior will eventually lead to a dog taking issue. Most people we have met understand my reluctance to allow interactions when explained.

As far as the water working on a dog fight, think water boarding - if they think they can't breath, fighting becomes less important.


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toedtoes wrote:

As with most all encounters, being a paranoid owner will prevent many of these issues. No matter how friendly my dog is, I would never let it "approach a strange dog for a sniff". Regardless of the other dog's breed, I will kepp our distance. If it is someplace where the dogs will be required to interact, I will FIRST talk to the other owner. Getting a sense for the owner is the best way to get a first impression of the dog. Does the person use terms like "he wouldn't hurt a fly" or "he just loves other dogs"? Does the person want to "just let them say hello"? In my experience these are danger signs. Why? Because they don't question the other dog at all. They believe that dogs will all get along regardless of everything else....

Yup, good advice. I am one of the most paranoid dog walkers there is.[emoticon]


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My dog has been dog aggressive a few times in the 10 years that we've had her. Only 1 of these incidents ended up in a dog fight. An unleashed dog wandered into our campsite. That dog ended up with a little mark on it's nose. The owner from a few sites down apologized and agreed my dog was not at fault and I didn't say anything about his not being on a leash. Since then we're always alert to a dog possibly wandering in our site or walking up to us when we're walking our leashed dog. We run into at least 1 in every park that the owner will just not put the dog on a leash. As we approach a wandering dog, I'll change direction with our dog and my wife will try to distract the loose dog. 9 out of 10 times the nearby owner will yell "oh, he's fine, he loves everyone!" and that's when my wife answers back "well mine doesn't!" I really wish owners would realize that leashing their dog not only protects people but it also protects their own dog.


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