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valhalla360

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Posted: 04/16/19 11:05pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Last two trucks we sold (great lakes area) ran fine when we sold them...the big issue is the body rusting away and minor issues (like electrical glitches) that come with age...particularly salty age.

The engine (gas or diesel) is rarely the failure point that puts a truck out to pasture.


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Posted: 04/17/19 06:27am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:



If you find a super clean truck you can be sure the owner also took care of it mechanically also.


This is not always the case. The contrast between my brother and I is a prime example of that.

He keeps his truck spotless at all times both inside and out washing every week and even sometimes twice a week. When it comes to maintenance, he will constantly go over the recommended interval and use the cheapest thing possible. He does not care about the mechanical side because he usually trades his trucks within 100-150k miles in before the problems from neglect arise. All he cares about is how pretty it looks in the mean time.

Heck, he even had a clamp missing on the intake box after the filter when I looked at his engine on one of his old trucks. I asked how long its been like that and he said for at least the past six months. I immediately went to one of my parts stores and got a new clamp for him thinking he will put it on. Nope, it was another month until I put it on because it bothered the heck out of me even though it was not my truck.

I, on the other hand, will go months without washing my truck, but you better believe that everything mechanical is in tip top shape and I am strict on maintenance intervals. I keep my trucks for the long haul, and being a utilitarian I care more about usefulness of material things than how they look. I feel sorry for anyone buying his truck paying extra because it looks clean thinking he took care of it.

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^Thats a valid point, and I’ve had buddies the same way. Car shines like a diamond in a goats @ss. How long since you changed the oil in that thing? Oil??
But in general you have a better chance s at getting a well maintained vehicle from someone who took care of its appearance. Again, it’s a judge the owner thing.
One more reason I don’t buy used cars from dealers, aside from overpriced, there’s about a .0001% chance I will be able to know the cars history.


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Grit dog wrote:

^Thats a valid point, and I’ve had buddies the same way. Car shines like a diamond in a goats @ss. How long since you changed the oil in that thing? Oil??
But in general you have a better chance s at getting a well maintained vehicle from someone who took care of its appearance. Again, it’s a judge the owner thing.
One more reason I don’t buy used cars from dealers, aside from overpriced, there’s about a .0001% chance I will be able to know the cars history.


Out of curiosity, what resources do you use to find private listings? It seems that most of the majors are overrun with dealership listings.

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Dont buy a 7-10 yr old truck from WI, or anyplace else in the salt belt.

BTW my last truck, a 05 Dodge 2500 CTD, the body was in good shape with just a couple bubbles starting to show over the fender flares. Which I put those flares on in 2012ish to cover the rust bubbles forming around the wheel wells. Frame was fine other than surface rust. Nothing that hurt the structural integrity.

OH and BTW I had to replace the oil pan on it because it got a rust hole and leaked oil.

But all trucks will be the same unless Aluminum oil pan. But I see all brands of that era and much newer with alot of rust on them.

My new truck is aluminum bodied.

Buy from salt free area, or buy new.

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ShinerBock wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:



If you find a super clean truck you can be sure the owner also took care of it mechanically also.


This is not always the case. The contrast between my brother and I is a prime example of that.

He keeps his truck spotless at all times both inside and out washing every week and even sometimes twice a week. When it comes to maintenance, he will constantly go over the recommended interval and use the cheapest thing possible. He does not care about the mechanical side because he usually trades his trucks within 100-150k miles in before the problems from neglect arise. All he cares about is how pretty it looks in the mean time.

Heck, he even had a clamp missing on the intake box after the filter when I looked at his engine on one of his old trucks. I asked how long its been like that and he said for at least the past six months. I immediately went to one of my parts stores and got a new clamp for him thinking he will put it on. Nope, it was another month until I put it on because it bothered the heck out of me even though it was not my truck.

I, on the other hand, will go months without washing my truck, but you better believe that everything mechanical is in tip top shape and I am strict on maintenance intervals. I keep my trucks for the long haul, and being a utilitarian I care more about usefulness of material things than how they look. I feel sorry for anyone buying his truck paying extra because it looks clean thinking he took care of it.


Buying from a stranger, you never really know, so you use this type of info statistically to suggest someone who takes care of the body and interior is more likely to have taken care of the drive train.

While there may be exceptions, the truck that looks really clean is more likely to have been maintained.

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What I was going to do was go south and buy something with no rust. I found plenty of 2013,2014 Ram Hemi`s with up to 100k miles. I found one very clean one with 140k miles, quad cab long bed 2500 for $12,900. But we ended up going a different direction and bought a class A.


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Posted: 04/18/19 07:05am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

valhalla360 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:



If you find a super clean truck you can be sure the owner also took care of it mechanically also.


This is not always the case. The contrast between my brother and I is a prime example of that.

He keeps his truck spotless at all times both inside and out washing every week and even sometimes twice a week. When it comes to maintenance, he will constantly go over the recommended interval and use the cheapest thing possible. He does not care about the mechanical side because he usually trades his trucks within 100-150k miles in before the problems from neglect arise. All he cares about is how pretty it looks in the mean time.

Heck, he even had a clamp missing on the intake box after the filter when I looked at his engine on one of his old trucks. I asked how long its been like that and he said for at least the past six months. I immediately went to one of my parts stores and got a new clamp for him thinking he will put it on. Nope, it was another month until I put it on because it bothered the heck out of me even though it was not my truck.

I, on the other hand, will go months without washing my truck, but you better believe that everything mechanical is in tip top shape and I am strict on maintenance intervals. I keep my trucks for the long haul, and being a utilitarian I care more about usefulness of material things than how they look. I feel sorry for anyone buying his truck paying extra because it looks clean thinking he took care of it.


Buying from a stranger, you never really know, so you use this type of info statistically to suggest someone who takes care of the body and interior is more likely to have taken care of the drive train.

While there may be exceptions, the truck that looks really clean is more likely to have been maintained.


Not from what I have seen.

Though not as bad as my brother, most of the people I know who like to keep their truck spotless spend more time doing that than taking care of the maintenance in my opinion. Mainly because they don't plan on keeping it past a certain mileage anyways so they don't care about maintenance just as long as it looks clean enough to get a high resale/trade-in value.

When I worked at a few Ford dealerships a long time ago. We had many trade-ins with 30-60k on them still running the factory oil filter, air filter, fuel filter, and so on, but they were spotless inside. They were mostly decked out vehicles with all the options on them from well off people who traded their vehicles in every other year. Working at several dealers since then, I can tell you that it happens more often than you think.

The ones that do keep them clean AND take care the maintenance generally are the ones that will keep them until the wheels fall of so they are not for sale anyways. This is just from my experiences.

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Posted: 04/18/19 08:39am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well I guess I'm the exception to the rule than. My 04 with 150K+ was spotless inside and out and 100% maintained better than the factory recommendations. I don't keep vehicles past the 150K mark because I'm tired of them by than. Even my wifes lease vehicles are maintained to the factory specs.

Funny if someone does not maintain their vehicle they should NEVER complain about how it runs or doesn't runs!

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Posted: 04/18/19 08:55am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Ignore the engine and get the best body/interior. As you said any will do the job.

+1 for a trip to the desert to pick up a truck that has not yet started to have salt rot.


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