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MrWizard

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Posted: 06/07/19 06:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

1996 ford f53 460 RV chassis
97 Bounder

I know it's supposed to be in the air intake someplace
But it's not anyplace I can see

It does have the banks in take system

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There's no MAF sensor on the 460.
There is a MAP sensor. Which has a vacuum hose going to it.


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OK did some more research
this thing does NOT have a MAF
it DOES have a MAP aka Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor
can not be cleaned, if bad it has to be replaced, and it an't cheap

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* This post was edited 06/07/19 10:26pm by MrWizard *

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Why do you think you need a MAP sensor?

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1996 460 did not have a mass air, it's a speed density system. So, it uses a MAP ( manifold absolute pressure...basically a vacuum sensor) sensor for load calculations instead of measuring airflow like a Mass Air sensor.

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Posted: 06/07/19 08:06pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

i don't need a MAP

i don't have these codes

MAP trouble codes:

Code 22: MAP Sensor Out of Range.
Code 72: Insufficient MAP Change During Dynamic Response Test.
Code 126: MAP/BARO Sensor Higher Or Lower Than Normal.
Code 128: MAP Sensor Vacuum Hose Damaged or Disconnected.
Code 129: Insufficient MAP Change During Dynamic Response Test KOER.

i thought i might have a MAF problem
but this doesn't a MAF

so i investigated the MAP

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This is an educated guess, but I think I am correct. Motorcraft CX-2403 Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor

About $52 on Amazon

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If it needs a MAP they are less than $100. And easy to replace.


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Not to easy to get at, think i have to lay on top of the engine
looking with dog house up, its on the far left upper corner

will run KOER test tommorrow, just to be sure i'm not getting any of the MAP codes

MAP pricing, thanks guys, much better

i saw an old price on a ford forum post, something like $180

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Wiz,

As a refugee of Detroit engine labs of many years, I can tell you that those codes only tell you what the ECU thinks is a problem.

MAPS kind of come in two kinds. There are some that are hard mounted to the throttle body and others are off on a bracket somewhere with a small hose that goes to someplace on the intake.

The ones mounted on the throttle body can get gummed up. They would sometimes accumulate fuel and such. Those can be cleaned with electrical cleaner. Just be real careful to not hit it too hard. If you stick the straw in and hit the button, that may kill it. Be sure to shake it nipple down when you think you are done.

If it is on a hose, check the hose for cracks and blow some solvent through it also check the port where it is attached. Try cleaning it as recommended.

They can go bad, but that was very rare. Our durability test were huge mile equivalent, but run in hours (weeks actually). We never figured out how to do more years in less time.

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