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Posted: 06/19/19 07:44pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SidecarFlip wrote:

My only comment is, the grid as it presently stands won't support mass electric vehicles.
The good thing is we only need about 20% improvement to fully support EV transportation and we have 20+ years to achieve that improvement.


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Most people drive Tesla’s and other electric vehicles because of performance, handling, little maintenance, convenience. Not so much from any green perspective or saving money. Go for a test drive...and hang on. Nothing with a gas tank will touch em.Nothing with a gas tank will touch em.

Most of us who have switched to electric have done so because it’s just a better way to go for us and we like the vehicles. But, what works for my needs might not work for you. If you like gas cars better than buy one. Admittedly that will eventually become difficult in some places. BC and Quebec both have laws that prevent a vehicle with any emissions from being sold past 2040. Lots of time for new products by then. Nobody will want a gas car by then.


Better do your homework, lots of high performance gasoline engined cars will blow the doors off your toaster.[emoticon] MY cousin has a Tesla X SUV and while it's quick, it ain't as quick as a Shelby Mustang or a Dodge Dart RT. More expensive though.

I'd like to drive a toaster but I'm a farmer and I live in the boonies. A toaster just don't work and never will.

Only benefit I see is instant heat in the winter. Thats it.


Yah admittedly I’m not up on high performace production vehicles. But I am curious. I know the Tesla P100D model S does zero to sixty in 2.3 seconds. What are some of the gassers that blow it’s foors off. My guess is high end Italian jobs. I have heard the RT is crazy quick but didn’t know it was faster than the P100D.

And yes the instant heat is kinda neat. 5 minute pre-heat by phone app. Great winter car.

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wilber1 wrote:

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tomman58 wrote:

I really doubt many of us will live long enough for the electric cars to be the norm. UNLESS they do become cheaper and more practical. I had a Volt, it was fun, it was fast, it got charged at a free spot at the casino we go to. Yes I worked it into our world with little problem. Long drives took the truck.
We will see many new cars in 2021 that are electric and will fit the mold BUT they will be to costly at 42,000 for a base model most will not be able to afford them. I for one (being retired) will get one although I really hate SUVs. They are like soccer vans of yesterday everyone has one.


As a car, I like the volt. I drove one as a rental. But for my long trip I could gas it up when it ran out of battery power. You could drive a volt cross country AND use it for emission free local trips. Love that idea.


I thought the Volt was a good idea too but GM discontinued it


Meh. Nice car but hybrids in general are losing market. They still have all the quarks of a gasser. Oil changes, filters, exhaust system, hoses, plugs, wires, brakes etc. 4 years of driving two EV’s and we are on our 4th jug of washer fluid. Wiper blades coming up soon though. [emoticon]

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There seems to be quite a push lately for zero emission vehicles and electric only vehicles.

How on Earth would these ever work for us? You can't go cross country in an electric vehicle in a practical way. You don't get great range when towing or hauling a TC.

What are we going to do when these become mandatory??

I'm also not sold on them in general as I think it's less carbon not to manufacture a new car (with lithium batteries) in the first place and continue running your old car. Especially given people forget it still takes the same energy to move a car from the bottom of the hill to the top. Sane energy has to come from somewhere. It's just being made remotely and pollution somewhere else.

What are we going to do when it's all electric and zero emissions becomes mandatory?

I'm a very off grid person and I'm disgusted by the on grid nature of this trend as well as the requirements in a few places that all vehicles must be electric now.


I doubt Ev will be mandatory anytime soon,
But once EV trucks are available at reasonable price
youll forget about diesels quickly

https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA

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And some people cant wait,so they build their own Tesla truck
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Lwiddis wrote:

“Sane energy has to come from somewhere.”

Obviously. Energy made centrally is more efficient overall than energy made individually. Many are concentrating on storage of energy made during the day via solar for use in the night. Those storage ideas may well translate into vehicles. Your TC couldn’t be carried by a Model T but it can be carried by today’s vehicles.

Don’t fear the future. Without change there will be no progress.


I understand with scales of production, but what about the losses in the powerlines? I have a hard time believing that it is more efficient and environmentally sound to make the energy elsewhere. Unless of course, there is a lot of solar involved in the grid.

I think it's more of a NIBMY thing.

Can you show me where my gut reaction is wrong? Anything I can read online about that?

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free radical wrote:

HadEnough wrote:

There seems to be quite a push lately for zero emission vehicles and electric only vehicles.

How on Earth would these ever work for us? You can't go cross country in an electric vehicle in a practical way. You don't get great range when towing or hauling a TC.

What are we going to do when these become mandatory??

I'm also not sold on them in general as I think it's less carbon not to manufacture a new car (with lithium batteries) in the first place and continue running your old car. Especially given people forget it still takes the same energy to move a car from the bottom of the hill to the top. Sane energy has to come from somewhere. It's just being made remotely and pollution somewhere else.

What are we going to do when it's all electric and zero emissions becomes mandatory?

I'm a very off grid person and I'm disgusted by the on grid nature of this trend as well as the requirements in a few places that all vehicles must be electric now.


I doubt Ev will be mandatory anytime soon,
But once EV trucks are available at reasonable price
youll forget about diesels quickly

https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA


But it doesn't work for RVing.

How do I take off from the east coast and drive to Wyoming or something? I can't. It doesn't have range or any ability to refuel (charge) in a reasonable amount of time.

Simply doesn't work for travelers.

And I think I'm definitely one of those anti Elon Musk people. Kind of annoyed that everyone thinks he invented anything at all. He just took old ideas and marketed them with new sizzle.

Some of the first cars invented were electric cars.

That's a different off topic topic though. Ha ha ha.

Point is, this stuff doesn't work for RVing. No range, long recharge times means a terrible traveling experience.

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HadEnough wrote:

Lwiddis wrote:

“Sane energy has to come from somewhere.”

Obviously. Energy made centrally is more efficient overall than energy made individually. Many are concentrating on storage of energy made during the day via solar for use in the night. Those storage ideas may well translate into vehicles. Your TC couldn’t be carried by a Model T but it can be carried by today’s vehicles.

Don’t fear the future. Without change there will be no progress.


I understand with scales of production, but what about the losses in the powerlines? I have a hard time believing that it is more efficient and environmentally sound to make the energy elsewhere. Unless of course, there is a lot of solar involved in the grid.

I think it's more of a NIBMY thing.

Can you show me where my gut reaction is wrong? Anything I can read online about that?


Self contained parking lots. A parking lot like this will supply twice the daily power needed for every commuter in this lot. The existing technology will adapt and grow to cover the additional 20 percent needed for EV's in most modern countries. Many members on this forum report the US grid is more of a third world affair and constantly on the edge of collapse but where there is a will there is a way and it'll eventually catch up.

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SidecarFlip wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Most people drive Tesla’s and other electric vehicles because of performance, handling, little maintenance, convenience. Not so much from any green perspective or saving money. Go for a test drive...and hang on. Nothing with a gas tank will touch em.Nothing with a gas tank will touch em.

Most of us who have switched to electric have done so because it’s just a better way to go for us and we like the vehicles. But, what works for my needs might not work for you. If you like gas cars better than buy one. Admittedly that will eventually become difficult in some places. BC and Quebec both have laws that prevent a vehicle with any emissions from being sold past 2040. Lots of time for new products by then. Nobody will want a gas car by then.


Better do your homework, lots of high performance gasoline engined cars will blow the doors off your toaster.[emoticon] MY cousin has a Tesla X SUV and while it's quick, it ain't as quick as a Shelby Mustang or a Dodge Dart RT. More expensive though.

I'd like to drive a toaster but I'm a farmer and I live in the boonies. A toaster just don't work and never will.

Only benefit I see is instant heat in the winter. Thats it.


Interesting Dodge added a disclaimer to their AD.

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HadEnough wrote:

free radical wrote:

HadEnough wrote:

There seems to be quite a push lately for zero emission vehicles and electric only vehicles.

How on Earth would these ever work for us? You can't go cross country in an electric vehicle in a practical way. You don't get great range when towing or hauling a TC.

What are we going to do when these become mandatory??

I'm also not sold on them in general as I think it's less carbon not to manufacture a new car (with lithium batteries) in the first place and continue running your old car. Especially given people forget it still takes the same energy to move a car from the bottom of the hill to the top. Sane energy has to come from somewhere. It's just being made remotely and pollution somewhere else.

What are we going to do when it's all electric and zero emissions becomes mandatory?

I'm a very off grid person and I'm disgusted by the on grid nature of this trend as well as the requirements in a few places that all vehicles must be electric now.


I doubt Ev will be mandatory anytime soon,
But once EV trucks are available at reasonable price
youll forget about diesels quickly

https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA


But it doesn't work for RVing.

How do I take off from the east coast and drive to Wyoming or something? I can't. It doesn't have range or any ability to refuel (charge) in a reasonable amount of time.

Simply doesn't work for travelers.

And I think I'm definitely one of those anti Elon Musk people. Kind of annoyed that everyone thinks he invented anything at all. He just took old ideas and marketed them with new sizzle.

Some of the first cars invented were electric cars.

That's a different off topic topic though. Ha ha ha.

Point is, this stuff doesn't work for RVing. No range, long recharge times means a terrible traveling experience.


Meh. Give it 10 years. 10 years ago you couldn't drive an electric car across the US either.

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