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HadEnough

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There seems to be quite a push lately for zero emission vehicles and electric only vehicles.

How on Earth would these ever work for us? You can't go cross country in an electric vehicle in a practical way. You don't get great range when towing or hauling a TC.

What are we going to do when these become mandatory??

I'm also not sold on them in general as I think it's less carbon not to manufacture a new car (with lithium batteries) in the first place and continue running your old car. Especially given people forget it still takes the same energy to move a car from the bottom of the hill to the top. Sane energy has to come from somewhere. It's just being made remotely and pollution somewhere else.

What are we going to do when it's all electric and zero emissions becomes mandatory?

I'm a very off grid person and I'm disgusted by the on grid nature of this trend as well as the requirements in a few places that all vehicles must be electric now.

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Wait, what?

How many of us RV owners are towing with sedans and compact SUVs right now? That's the market electric vehicles are currently targeting.

It'll be a long while before pickup trucks get "outlawed", but they'll quickly become more expensive to run.


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HadEnough wrote:

There seems to be quite a push lately for zero emission vehicles and electric only vehicles.

How on Earth would these ever work for us? You can't go cross country in an electric vehicle in a practical way. You don't get great range when towing or hauling a TC.

What are we going to do when these become mandatory??

I'm also not sold on them in general as I think it's less carbon not to manufacture a new car (with lithium batteries) in the first place and continue running your old car. Especially given people forget it still takes the same energy to move a car from the bottom of the hill to the top. Sane energy has to come from somewhere. It's just being made remotely and pollution somewhere else.

What are we going to do when it's all electric and zero emissions becomes mandatory?

I'm a very off grid person and I'm disgusted by the on grid nature of this trend as well as the requirements in a few places that all vehicles must be electric now.


i’m generally with you. i’ll consider buying an EV when EV’s have the same range as a gasoline powered vehicle and re-charging takes no longer than re-filling my tank. but i’d like to know where EV’s are *required*.


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GordonThree wrote:

Wait, what?

How many of us RV owners are towing with sedans and compact SUVs right now? That's the market electric vehicles are currently targeting.

It'll be a long while before pickup trucks get "outlawed", but they'll quickly become more expensive to run.


Well, my European travel thread got me thinking. Over there, pick up trucks are definitely outlawed in many urban areas. And some of them are electric only zero emission areas too.

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HadEnough wrote:

GordonThree wrote:

Wait, what?

How many of us RV owners are towing with sedans and compact SUVs right now? That's the market electric vehicles are currently targeting.

It'll be a long while before pickup trucks get "outlawed", but they'll quickly become more expensive to run.


Well, my European travel thread got me thinking. Over there, pick up trucks are definitely outlawed in many urban areas. And some of them are electric only zero emission areas too.


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I really doubt many of us will live long enough for the electric cars to be the norm. UNLESS they do become cheaper and more practical. I had a Volt, it was fun, it was fast, it got charged at a free spot at the casino we go to. Yes I worked it into our world with little problem. Long drives took the truck.
We will see many new cars in 2021 that are electric and will fit the mold BUT they will be to costly at 42,000 for a base model most will not be able to afford them. I for one (being retired) will get one although I really hate SUVs. They are like soccer vans of yesterday everyone has one.


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What do the Europeans drive on farms or into the oil fields?

As an arrogant selfish American, I don't really care if the Europeans loose their ability to haul campers around.

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tomman58 wrote:

I really doubt many of us will live long enough for the electric cars to be the norm. UNLESS they do become cheaper and more practical. I had a Volt, it was fun, it was fast, it got charged at a free spot at the casino we go to. Yes I worked it into our world with little problem. Long drives took the truck.
We will see many new cars in 2021 that are electric and will fit the mold BUT they will be to costly at 42,000 for a base model most will not be able to afford them. I for one (being retired) will get one although I really hate SUVs. They are like soccer vans of yesterday everyone has one.


As a car, I like the volt. I drove one as a rental. But for my long trip I could gas it up when it ran out of battery power. You could drive a volt cross country AND use it for emission free local trips. Love that idea.

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GordonThree wrote:

What do the Europeans drive on farms or into the oil fields?

As an arrogant selfish American, I don't really care if the Europeans loose their ability to haul campers around.


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I care because new laws and regulations come into play every day. They may only be in Europe now, but they could easily be creeping their way over here too.

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“Sane energy has to come from somewhere.”

Obviously. Energy made centrally is more efficient overall than energy made individually. Many are concentrating on storage of energy made during the day via solar for use in the night. Those storage ideas may well translate into vehicles. Your TC couldn’t be carried by a Model T but it can be carried by today’s vehicles.

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