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GordonThree

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The push to capitalize on going green is really driving technological progress on batteries, motors and control technology.

Reduced and lithium free battery chemistries are making significant progress. High temperature silicon carbide semiconductors are handling massive amounts of energy more efficiently than ever. Multi phase DC brushless motors keep climbing in torque output.

I don't think we'll have a problem replacing an $80,000+ F350 with an equally luxurious electric in a few years time.


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wilber1 wrote:

HadEnough wrote:

GordonThree wrote:

Wait, what?

How many of us RV owners are towing with sedans and compact SUVs right now? That's the market electric vehicles are currently targeting.

It'll be a long while before pickup trucks get "outlawed", but they'll quickly become more expensive to run.


Well, my European travel thread got me thinking. Over there, pick up trucks are definitely outlawed in many urban areas. And some of them are electric only zero emission areas too.


This March, 56% of Norwegian new car sales were EV's.
This will drive T&P crazy but 30% of all new car sales were Tesla Model 3's.


But all of that must be taken with a grain (bucket?) of salt.

More Tesla Model 3’s were sold in just California than all EV’s COMBINED were sold in Norway in the same time period.

It’s amazing what good marketing, heavily subsidized electricity rates, and ridiculously high gasoline prices will do isn’t it?

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Most people drive Tesla’s and other electric vehicles because of performance, handling, little maintenance, convenience. Not so much from any green perspective or saving money. Go for a test drive...and hang on. Nothing with a gas tank will touch em.

Most of us who have switched to electric have done so because it’s just a better way to go for us and we like the vehicles. But, what works for my needs might not work for you. If you like gas cars better than buy one. Admittedly that will eventually become difficult in some places. BC and Quebec both have laws that prevent a vehicle with any emissions from being sold past 2040. Lots of time for new products by then. Nobody will want a gas car by then.

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I really doubt many of us will live long enough for the electric cars to be the norm. UNLESS they do become cheaper and more practical. I had a Volt, it was fun, it was fast, it got charged at a free spot at the casino we go to. Yes I worked it into our world with little problem. Long drives took the truck.
We will see many new cars in 2021 that are electric and will fit the mold BUT they will be to costly at 42,000 for a base model most will not be able to afford them. I for one (being retired) will get one although I really hate SUVs. They are like soccer vans of yesterday everyone has one.


As a car, I like the volt. I drove one as a rental. But for my long trip I could gas it up when it ran out of battery power. You could drive a volt cross country AND use it for emission free local trips. Love that idea.


I thought the Volt was a good idea too but GM discontinued it


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JaxDad wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

HadEnough wrote:

GordonThree wrote:

Wait, what?

How many of us RV owners are towing with sedans and compact SUVs right now? That's the market electric vehicles are currently targeting.

It'll be a long while before pickup trucks get "outlawed", but they'll quickly become more expensive to run.


Well, my European travel thread got me thinking. Over there, pick up trucks are definitely outlawed in many urban areas. And some of them are electric only zero emission areas too.


This March, 56% of Norwegian new car sales were EV's.
This will drive T&P crazy but 30% of all new car sales were Tesla Model 3's.


But all of that must be taken with a grain (bucket?) of salt.

More Tesla Model 3’s were sold in just California than in Norway in the same time period.

It’s amazing what good marketing, heavily subsidized electricity rates, and ridiculously high gasoline prices will do isn’t it?


Selling like hot cakes in BC as well.

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wilber1 wrote:

HadEnough wrote:

GordonThree wrote:

Wait, what?

How many of us RV owners are towing with sedans and compact SUVs right now? That's the market electric vehicles are currently targeting.

It'll be a long while before pickup trucks get "outlawed", but they'll quickly become more expensive to run.


Well, my European travel thread got me thinking. Over there, pick up trucks are definitely outlawed in many urban areas. And some of them are electric only zero emission areas too.


This March, 58% of Norwegian new car sales were EV's.
This will drive T&P crazy but 30% of all new car sales were Tesla Model 3's.


T&P??


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T&P??
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HadEnough wrote:

I'm a very off grid person and I'm disgusted by the on grid nature of this trend as well as the requirements in a few places that all vehicles must be electric now.
Petrol is just a different grid.

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My only comment is, the grid as it presently stands won't support mass electric vehicles.


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Reisender wrote:

Most people drive Tesla’s and other electric vehicles because of performance, handling, little maintenance, convenience. Not so much from any green perspective or saving money. Go for a test drive...and hang on. Nothing with a gas tank will touch em.Nothing with a gas tank will touch em.

Most of us who have switched to electric have done so because it’s just a better way to go for us and we like the vehicles. But, what works for my needs might not work for you. If you like gas cars better than buy one. Admittedly that will eventually become difficult in some places. BC and Quebec both have laws that prevent a vehicle with any emissions from being sold past 2040. Lots of time for new products by then. Nobody will want a gas car by then.


Better do your homework, lots of high performance gasoline engined cars will blow the doors off your toaster.[emoticon] MY cousin has a Tesla X SUV and while it's quick, it ain't as quick as a Shelby Mustang or a Dodge Dart RT. More expensive though.

I'd like to drive a toaster but I'm a farmer and I live in the boonies. A toaster just don't work and never will.

Only benefit I see is instant heat in the winter. Thats it.

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