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Cummins12V98 wrote:

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Sorry it is low emissions.


I’m not American so don’t know much about emmision classifications in the US. How do they rate them. Low, high, medium kinda thing? . Does it depend on fuel? What’s an example of a high emmision truck?


I can breath the air from the exhaust.


So you could run the vehicle in a garage with the door closed with no I’ll effects...like death?

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mikim wrote:

We have two Tesla's and love them. Whenever a software update is available, the cars automatically download and install the updates. The Car's are also able to communicate with the "Mothership" to provide Tesla with information about the car and our driving profiles. It would be easy for the car to self report miles driven automatically, and the taxing authority could use this data to collect "road use" taxes.

Additionally, Tesla's cannot be unplugged unless the "FOB" is nearby.


Good grief ... I'd NEVER own a vehicle who's continued good performance depended upon Internet (or satellite) access.

It sounds like Tesla vehicles are assuming ownership in densely populated areas or otherwise in areas that just happen to have good Internet (or satellite?) access. Our vehicles are often in many places "off the grid" with respect to cellular tower or satellite signals.

One of the GREAT features of fossil fuel powered vehicles is their off the grid self-containment -> for hundreds of miles between fuel-ups and thousands of miles between tune-ups.


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free radical wrote:

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The simple solution is to require an odometer reading at plate renewal time with a per mile tax levied at the time.

The big issue arising around here at the moment though is income tax. A bunch of people are going to be in for a rude awakening.

Most government offices and public buildings have EV charge stations, most are no charge. Some disgruntled employee filed a complaint to the nice tax people that SOME employees were getting their commute to work subsidized by free electricity to charge their EV’s.

In Canada this is a taxable benefit.

Odometer reading is requiered already here when geting new sticker each year


Maybe the Best way to tax everyone fairly is to use Tolls on highways


Here yes, everywhere NO, and you don’t pay road taxes at time of plate renewal either.

But just wait, I’m sure Big Dougie will come up with a few more surprises, he seems to have a copy of Mike Harris’ “NO Sense Revolution” on his bedside table ....

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pnichols wrote:

mikim wrote:

We have two Tesla's and love them. Whenever a software update is available, the cars automatically download and install the updates. The Car's are also able to communicate with the "Mothership" to provide Tesla with information about the car and our driving profiles. It would be easy for the car to self report miles driven automatically, and the taxing authority could use this data to collect "road use" taxes.

Additionally, Tesla's cannot be unplugged unless the "FOB" is nearby.


Good grief ... I'd NEVER own a vehicle who's continued good performance depended upon Internet (or satellite) access.

It sounds like Tesla vehicles are assuming ownership in densely populated areas or otherwise in areas that just happen to have good Internet (or satellite?) access. Our vehicles are often in many places "off the grid" with respect to cellular tower or satellite signals.

One of the GREAT features of fossil fuel powered vehicles is their off the grid self-containment -> for hundreds of miles between fuel-ups and thousands of miles between tune-ups.


Nope. Has nothing to do with continued good performance. Software updates provide improvements to varioys functions. Everything from braking to instrumentation, power curves, safety, navigation. Things other vehicles require you to buy a new model year for.

Tesla’s are not dependant on Satelite (not a thing) or internet. But if you are at home connected to your home wifi updates can occur.

Tesla’s or other EV’s don’t need tuneups...ever. There’s nothing to tune up. Tesla’s travel “100’s of miles between fuel ups”. When was the last time you fueled up at home? [emoticon]

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Reisender wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Sorry it is low emissions.


I’m not American so don’t know much about emmision classifications in the US. How do they rate them. Low, high, medium kinda thing? . Does it depend on fuel? What’s an example of a high emmision truck?


I can breath the air from the exhaust.


So you could run the vehicle in a garage with the door closed with no I’ll effects...like death?


Not sure want to give it a try?


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Nope. Has nothing to do with continued good performance. Software updates provide improvements to varioys functions. Everything from braking to instrumentation, power curves, safety, navigation. Things other vehicles require you to buy a new model year for.

Tesla’s are not dependant on Satelite (not a thing) or internet. But if you are at home connected to your home wifi updates can occur.

Tesla’s or other EV’s don’t need tuneups...ever. There’s nothing to tune up. Tesla’s travel “100’s of miles between fuel ups”. When was the last time you fueled up at home? [emoticon]


Unless your WIFI connection goes down during said update...

Exactly what happened to my friends Tesla, the car is disabled during the update so you can’t drive it away from the signal, but they forgot about connection failures.

It happens so often Tesla tows the car for free to reboot it for you.

Free updates, handy, losing your car for a day to reboot it? Not so handy.

As for feeling up, not everyone lives in a city, I have my own fuel tanks in my yard.

At the present time EV’s are for urbanites who don’t venture further afield than a day trip to remember what green scenery is.

If I drive my Tesla’s to the cottage in the cold weather they have to left plugged in to maintain warm enough temps to keep the batteries from turning into pumpkins. You don’t want to know how many kw’s it takes to keep a car heated and charged over a cold northern Ontario weekend.

The single smallish wet cell battery in my gas burner cranks over that 6.3 liter V8 just fine after a couple days of sitting though.

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JaxDad wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Nope. Has nothing to do with continued good performance. Software updates provide improvements to varioys functions. Everything from braking to instrumentation, power curves, safety, navigation. Things other vehicles require you to buy a new model year for.

Tesla’s are not dependant on Satelite (not a thing) or internet. But if you are at home connected to your home wifi updates can occur.

Tesla’s or other EV’s don’t need tuneups...ever. There’s nothing to tune up. Tesla’s travel “100’s of miles between fuel ups”. When was the last time you fueled up at home? [emoticon]


Unless your WIFI connection goes down during said update...

Exactly what happened to my friends Tesla, the car is disabled during the update so you can’t drive it away from the signal, but they forgot about connection failures.

It happens so often Tesla tows the car for free to reboot it for you.

Free updates, handy, losing your car for a day to reboot it? Not so handy.

As for feeling up, not everyone lives in a city, I have my own fuel tanks in my yard.

At the present time EV’s are for urbanites who don’t venture further afield than a day trip to remember what green scenery is.

If I drive my Tesla’s to the cottage in the cold weather they have to left plugged in to maintain warm enough temps to keep the batteries from turning into pumpkins. You don’t want to know how many kw’s it takes to keep a car heated and charged over a cold northern Ontario weekend.

The single smallish wet cell battery in my gas burner cranks over that 6.3 liter V8 just fine after a couple days of sitting though.


With those conditions best to stick with a gasser. Right tool for the right job.

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Sorry it is low emissions.


I’m not American so don’t know much about emmision classifications in the US. How do they rate them. Low, high, medium kinda thing? . Does it depend on fuel? What’s an example of a high emmision truck?


I can breath the air from the exhaust.


So you could run the vehicle in a garage with the door closed with no I’ll effects...like death?


Not sure want to give it a try?


Ahhhh. So maybe not breathable after all.

Too funny. [emoticon]

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As for the road tax/ highway maintenance? Why not put the interstates under control of the DoD? Then there would be no limit on money spent to build or repair...

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Posted: 06/23/19 08:28am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

tomman58 wrote:


My sister in NC just put solar on her roof, Her electric bill dropped a lot and she is retired so will be charging in the daytime. This makes good sense to me and her.


As I said "VAST MAJORITY".


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