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Posted: 06/20/19 08:17am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Surprised nobody said this ......put a better quality tire on the trailer will get rid of a lot of the sway

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So the dry weight of the hauler is 5900 lbs. the CCC is 2200 lbs. I tried backing in the X3 and filing the freshwater. It’s only a 30 gallon tank, in the center of RV, so it added roughly 240 lbs. Problem is, once it’s loaded with x3, full tank and misc camping gear we come close to exceeding the GVWR. I even took 200 pounds of dumbbells that I had in my house and put them in the front pass through. Here are the weight measurements from the cat scale.

Truck only (2017 Ram 2500)
- steer axle - 4040 lb
- drive axle - 3080 lb
- gross weight - 7120 lb

Truck and dry trailer
-steer axle - 3760 lb
- drive axle - 4400 lb
- trailer axle - 4860 lb
- gross weight - 13020 lb

Truck and loaded trailer
- steer axle - 3940 lb
- drive axle - 3840 lb
- trailer axle - 7240 lb
- gross weight 15020 lb

This weight was with the X3 backed in. Based on my calculations, which may or may not be accurate, it appears the dry tongue weight is roughly 17%. When loaded, the tongue weight drops below 9%. My thoughts are that the axle placement is way too far forward on a unit that only weighs 5900 pounds and offers a CCC of 2200 pounds, especially if the majority of that weight is in the garage.

* This post was edited 06/20/19 10:12am by Spyingeye *

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eHoefler wrote:

Load your SXS backwards, the rear engine will be tail heavy.


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Posted: 06/20/19 02:43pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Is the weight distributing hitch installed correctly?

You are losing a good bit of weight off the front axle in the unloaded condition.

But yeah, the hitch weight seems really light when loaded.


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Posted: 06/20/19 03:42pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Spyingeye wrote:

So the dry weight of the hauler is 5900 lbs. the CCC is 2200 lbs. I tried backing in the X3 and filing the freshwater. It’s only a 30 gallon tank, in the center of RV, so it added roughly 240 lbs. Problem is, once it’s loaded with x3, full tank and misc camping gear we come close to exceeding the GVWR. I even took 200 pounds of dumbbells that I had in my house and put them in the front pass through. Here are the weight measurements from the cat scale.

Truck only (2017 Ram 2500)
- steer axle - 4040 lb
- drive axle - 3080 lb
- gross weight - 7120 lb

Truck and dry trailer
-steer axle - 3760 lb
- drive axle - 4400 lb
- trailer axle - 4860 lb
- gross weight - 13020 lb

Truck and loaded trailer
- steer axle - 3940 lb
- drive axle - 3840 lb
- trailer axle - 7240 lb
- gross weight 15020 lb

This weight was with the X3 backed in. Based on my calculations, which may or may not be accurate, it appears the dry tongue weight is roughly 17%. When loaded, the tongue weight drops below 9%. My thoughts are that the axle placement is way too far forward on a unit that only weighs 5900 pounds and offers a CCC of 2200 pounds, especially if the majority of that weight is in the garage.
I would say your spot on with the axle to far forward. I bet that was one wild ride with the sway.

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Forest river has had this issue for years.
I agree about axle placement.


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Spyingeye wrote:


Truck only (2017 Ram 2500)
- steer axle - 4040 lb
- drive axle - 3080 lb

Truck and loaded trailer
- steer axle - 3940 lb
- drive axle - 3840 lb


IMHO, your WDH is not yet properly setup. You need to move 150-200# from your drive axle to the steering axle. The steering axle should NEVER lose weight when the loaded trailer is attached.


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nayther wrote:

If FR has the unit then it's pretty serious. Sounds like axles are too far forward. Of course adding water, etc. to the front will help but why should you have to do that? Proper engineering is needed


Will never understand, why TH don't have axles placed like horse trailers. much closer to the rear.

This would solve the issue with being tail heavy, but could be an issue for tongue weight.
The 30' 4 horse with small living quarters trailer had about the same 2,700# pin EMPTY as our 32' 5er fully loaded at 12,500#.

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rhagfo wrote:

nayther wrote:

If FR has the unit then it's pretty serious. Sounds like axles are too far forward. Of course adding water, etc. to the front will help but why should you have to do that? Proper engineering is needed


Will never understand, why TH don't have axles placed like horse trailers. much closer to the rear.

This would solve the issue with being tail heavy, but could be an issue for tongue weight.
The 30' 4 horse with small living quarters trailer had about the same 2,700# pin EMPTY as our 32' 5er fully loaded at 12,500#.

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If that's true, the truck in the picture is massively overloaded. It has 2000 pounds of payload at most. And if so, you answered your own question--to keep from massively overloading 3/4 ton trucks.

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Rover_Bill wrote:

Spyingeye wrote:


Truck only (2017 Ram 2500)
- steer axle - 4040 lb
- drive axle - 3080 lb

Truck and loaded trailer
- steer axle - 3940 lb
- drive axle - 3840 lb


IMHO, your WDH is not yet properly setup. You need to move 150-200# from your drive axle to the steering axle. The steering axle should NEVER lose weight when the loaded trailer is attached.


Steer axle is loosing too much weight, need to redo the setup for the equalizer to compensate for the loaded trailer. What works empty won't work for it loaded.


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