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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Don’t forget RAM is much heavier.


Would you just stop. They are even at that weight. Look at it like the extra gears did not make the GM pickup any faster up the hill, or that the 100 extra pound/feet from RAM didnt buy anything. Your endless RAM excuses really get old.

As for watching fat dudes pull up Ike for the uptenth time, when they are running all DRW's pulling 30K plus up the hill, that should be worth enduring another run up the Ike to see. For 12V98's sake, RAM better win, or we will all have to endure more excuses and he might develop a drinking problem.


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Cummins12V98 wrote:

The 10 speed with lower combined load should have stomped the measly 6 speed with 6 tires dragging the road.

Same downhill braking. GM should have been better with lighter load and higher revving engine to give more braking HP.

Heavier combined load but better economy.

How many here still think the “BRANDED” 10 speed is the Savior???


The extra 100 foot/pounds in the RAM certainly didn't carry the day. Your trusting the DIC to decide who has better fuel economy when they are separated by tenths of a gallon? Certainly you know better.

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I think we ought to just be happy that we have 3 beastly heavy duty brands that can easily drag 16k lbs up that up and control it down the hill. I don't think any of them are a bad choice.


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The RAM had a payload of 5600# and a GVWR of 14,000# = truck weighs 8400# empty.

The Chevy had a payload of 3600# and a GVWR of 11,300# = truck weighs 7700# empty.

So the RAM 3500 DRW had an extra 700# to lug up the hill.

Either way, the performance was so close (2 seconds difference over 8 miles) I'd call it a draw.


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wowens79 wrote:

I think we ought to just be happy that we have 3 beastly heavy duty brands that can easily drag 16k lbs up that up and control it down the hill. I don't think any of them are a bad choice.

Agreed!

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Cummins12V98 wrote:



How many here still think the “BRANDED” 10 speed is the Savior???


When Ram/Cummins uses a 10 speed it will be the savior just like the CP4 is OK now that Ram is using it.

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ShinerBock wrote:

ACZL wrote:

Didn't watch the vid, but amazes me that they cannot get the same specs for trucks to do a sxs comparo. Don't see how a fair comparo can be done otherwise.


If you watched the first minute of the video, you probably would not be amazed about how they could not get the same truck with the same specs because they tell you why.

However, a true specs for specs purely does not exist especially now with 10-speed transmissions in the mix. A trans with more gears(i.e. 10 speed) and a taller rear gear ratio(3.42) is equivalent in terms of torque multiplication as a trans with less gears(6 speed) and a shorter rear gear ratio(4.10) due to the being able to have shorter trans gears with a better spread the more gears you have.


Careful, the 4:10 is magic it doesn't matter what the final drive ratio is with different transmissions. At least that seems to be the consensus here. The 10 speed did not beat the 6 speed in a drag race so clearly not better. Just like daily driving a two speed Powerglide is better than a 6 speed because they can do the quarter mile in the same time. Or it could be, some do not understand the Ike test parameters and others are so brand loyal their brain stops processing information and rather make excuses for the results.

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" The 10 speed did not beat the 6 speed in a drag race "

I do not recall there was a drag race.

I suspect from a standing start towing 16,000 lbs or more so with 35,000 lbs the 10 speed will definitely shine against the 6 speed.

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What this video showed me is, even after all that, it comes down to payload and GRAWR.

Nice to see a SRW that can handle 16K up the Ike, but a 16K 5er will probably have close to 4K pin weight, which means it will exceed the RAWR of the Chevy (since they said 3K pin weight was max). Assuming the 3K max pin weight of the chevy is based on rear axle weight, my Ram 3500 SRW has a 3750 rear axle capacity remaining after spray in bed liner and tonneau cover.

So, even with all that, it would appear that the Chevy SRW is still gonna be limited to 5ers in the 14K range (give or take).


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RCMAN46 wrote:

" The 10 speed did not beat the 6 speed in a drag race "

I do not recall there was a drag race.

I suspect from a standing start towing 16,000 lbs or more so with 35,000 lbs the 10 speed will definitely shine against the 6 speed.


One with highest torque off the line will be ahead. At the end of the race the one with highest HP will be ahead.

Also V8 are normally quicker that I-6.

Is anyone still putting V8's is OTR trucks? Most now that low RPM high torque I-6's.


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