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wopachop

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Posted: 06/30/19 06:19pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Here is a weird one. Went camping and got a flat tire 5 miles from the destination. Dirt shoulder and scary place to try and change a tire.

Start at it. One lug nut is just spinning. Make the decision that the stud itself must be spinning inside the wheel. Fire up the generator and use a cut off wheel to cut the tire off. We limp it 10mph to the place we are camping and plan is to call AAA.

We do. Triple A comes out with his impact. Same deal the lug nut is just spinning. Says he needs to talk with management. Needs a special tool that Napa caries.

They screw us and dont care. Said another technician was coming out but never shows. So next plan is cut off the fancy cover that hides the big nut that holds on the bearing. Plan is to remove the wheel and drill out the stud from behind.

Make that happen and drill away. Did that for awhile until every drill bit i have is smoked. Start asking fellow campers if they have any twist drills and nobody had any.

One guy offered his awesome Milwaukee battery powered impact gun earlier in the day. He came over again and i asked to use it. Sure enough the lug nut popped right off!!

At this point our assumption is all my beating and banging on the wheel stud must have made it stick enough for the impact gun to finally remove the nut.

Now here is the crazy part. What exactly was spinning? We are off road enthusiasts who are pretty familiar with nuts and bolts. We think the outer shell of the lug nut might have been spinning.

When we look at the wheel i dont see any sign of the stud itself spinning around.

How can a socket form around the hexagon lug and spin?

There is free play when i hold the lug nut and twist back and forth. Like 1mm of play.


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A group of us watched the AAA guy hammer on a socket nice and tight. Still spun free. Thats why we thought it must be the stud spinning in the wheel.

Once apart the stud had zero metal shavings and you can see the grooves in the wheel.

Shouldnt the lug nut look more deformed if the outer shell got spun around 100 times? Me on the side of the road did quite a few rotations pissed off and sweaty and the AAA guy did even more with an impact gun.

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Posted: 06/30/19 06:36pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Looks more like the wrong sized socket on the lug nut. Corners rounded off!


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I understand that answer. Gonna have to trust me i put on the proper size socket. Same with the AAA guy he brought out his set of impact sockets and found a nice tight one and beat it on with a hammer.

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Same thing happened to me. The sheet metal cover was spinning. I was lucky, this happened to be home & I have a large selection of sockets (metric/ SAE/ 6-12 point) I managed to drive a socket (took a couple of trys) over the whole mess that allowed me to get the lug loose. Now, getting the lug nut out of the socket was another story. And even after all that, it still looked pretty good.
I replaced all the lugs on my 5th wheel with solid one piece lug nuts after that experience.

* This post was edited 06/30/19 07:49pm by Nv Guy *

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wopachop wrote:

Same with the AAA guy he brought out his set of impact sockets and found a nice tight one and beat it on with a hammer.


That tells the story right there. Despite what my BIL thinks, a bigger hammer is NOT the answer.

If a hammer is required to put the socket onto a lug nut that clean, the socket was WAY too small. This is exactly why the top bit of the faces are rounded off. The socket couldn’t seat far enough (or all the way) down over the nut and there wasn’t enough surface bearing the load. The shoulder of the nut body gave way before the nut came loose.

No mystery involved at all.

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x2 cheap metal cover spinning.

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Posted: 06/30/19 07:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I bet you didn't "beat it on with a hammer" when you got the right socket and it came off.





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K Charles wrote:

I bet you didn't "beat it on with a hammer" when you got the right socket and it came off.
Ok i like this idea. Vibe with me here. We told the AAA guy to hammer on a tight socket. He went and got his bucket of random sockets. When he started it was his normal setup. Whats the tightest like a 19mm or something?

When i started to remove the tire i got most of the lug nuts off until we hit the spinner.

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Get a Dremel cutoff wheel and cut 2 channels up the side of the nut cover so you can peel the cover off. Do you have a standard nut then showing (metric or standard) left? I've never seen a lug covered with sheet goods that didn't require the cover to be removed before the lug was loosened.
You need to specify what the lug (flat) was on. RV? Make, model, year, Toad? Same, make, model, etc.
RV lugs with decorative covers usually use something like these Cover pullers
to remove the cover.


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