Lion Safari UT - new tech battery, not cheap

[miatared]

Anyone sprung $799 to 999 for that battery. Seems to be making inroads into the RV market. A few reviews are popping online.

Lithium-Ion Phosphate, lifetime warranty. 100 AH, 20 lbs. Group 24 size.

I'm sure price will eventually come down.

Just curious.

[grizzzman]

This spring at the local RV show they were selling them on special for $750.00. I do not believe a "drop-in" solution is ready yet. With that said I did buy a A 12 volt lifepo4 (8 50AH prismatic cells with interconnects from them on eBay. This company is about 25 miles from me.

[pnichols]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
The yellow top NEVER lived up to its claims

The yellow top is not the blue top nor the red top

The yellow top was the costliest and made ridiculous claims about how cyclable it was. Sailors had me running in Mexico from sailboat to sailboat. The issue was about capacity loss after six months of ownership.

If you think even the best AGM battery has a capacity loss after sub-par charging minimum amperage and incomplete recharge.

The Optima is king of the world. By far.

A daily driver yellow top is like hiring Charles Atlas to haul groceries. It had BETTER last as long as your battery has. The world's champion failure was a Delco Voyager. Half of them on the Costo shelves already had RED eyes

David .... huuuuh? I'm wondering if I'm dense today regarding what you're saying?

My Group 31 12V Yellow Top Optima of the Gylling Group in Scandinavia, made in Aurora Colorado, 1100 CCA, 90 AH C/20, 192 minutes reserve capacity - that sailors or anyone else could no longer buy a few months after it's release - is lasting a LONG LONG time regardless of any claims.

Maybe I was an extreme early bird who got an extremely good worm?

[MEXICOWANDERER]

The yellow top NEVER lived up to its claims

The yellow top is not the blue top nor the red top

The yellow top was the costliest and made ridiculous claims about how cyclable it was. Sailors had me running in Mexico from sailboat to sailboat. The issue was about capacity loss after six months of ownership.

If you think even the best AGM battery has a capacity loss after sub-par charging minimum amperage and incomplete recharge.

The Optima is king of the world. By far.

A daily driver yellow top is like hiring Charles Atlas to haul groceries. It had BETTER last as long as your battery has. The world's champion failure was a Delco Voyager. Half of them on the Costo shelves already had RED eyes

[pnichols]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
AFAIC a great heads up for brand new technology products. It needs consumer proofing to learn it's quirks. The Optima battery is a perfect example. When released upon the public 99% of Optima claims went up in smoke. I would recommend patience then look for a thousand five star reviews. I call this THE OXY-CLEAN REALITY. BS claims adjustment. Like STP, the JC Penny battery, miracle teflon coatings.

David ... I have one example of Optima living fully up to it's "claims":

My 12-14 year old Optima Group 31 large Yellow Top AGM battery that I purchased early in it's release (soon pulled off the market because the U.S. military purchased exclusive rights) still holds it's charge month after month in the trunk of our daily driver sedan.

I carry it in the trunk of our car kept fully charged up so I don't have to call ERS for a jump start if ever needed. A self-jump-start is way quicker and less hassle. 😉

[Itinerant1]

But it has a cool lion's head logo on it. That has to make it better.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

AFAIC a great heads up for brand new technology products. It needs consumer proofing to learn it's quirks. The Optima battery is a perfect example. When released upon the public 99% of Optima claims went up in smoke. I would recommend patience then look for a thousand five star reviews. I call this THE OXY-CLEAN REALITY. BS claims adjustment. Like STP, the JC Penny battery, miracle teflon coatings.

[miatared]

Geez, never thought I would start another China bashing session...

Ray from Love Your RV (a pretty respected YouTuber) is doing a review of that new battery, yes it will require a different charger. I was simply curious to know if anyone had looked at those... At 20 lbs for 100AH, Group 24 form factor, if it sold for around $400-500 it could start to grab some market share.

Here is the link to their web site
https://lionenergy.com/collections/portable-power/products/lion-safari-ut

[pnichols]

Also ... Group 24 is too small. Where's their Group 29 and Group 31 offerings??

BTW, isn't a Lifetime Warranty more for the younger crowd?

[theoldwizard1]

I would probably buy a Battle Born if I had that much money. Better reputation and it has a built in battery management system.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Anything I buy may have a lifetime warranty. I just don't want to fix the thing.

[Lwiddis]

Manufacturer recommends no more than an 80% discharge? If so, I’d need two and there’s the rub.

[naturist]

2oldman wrote:
It's easy to get ion and iron confused.

Bingo! Amazing the difference a single "r" can make.

[accsys]

GordonThree wrote:
Sigh another phosphate battery... where are the manganese batteries already!?

Just another Battleborn / Relion nock off? No link and I'm too lazy to googel.

edit: I did a google for lion safari and this was the result, don't see any mention of batteries:

https://lionsafari.com/

Ah, but if you just add 'battery' to that search you get Lion Safari UT - Lifetime Battery.

[2oldman]

miatared wrote:
I'm sure price will eventually come down.

Depends on how much 'eventually' you have left. At this point in life it's best to have more money than eventually.