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willald

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Posted: 07/16/19 07:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

...Sooo, due to life circumstances, we find ourselves frequently needing to travel to and stay in an area about 450 miles from home. Having the RV (Motorhome) has worked out great for these trips. Only problem is, have not found a good campground to stay at in the area we need to be.

I did some searching for RV site rentals on craigs list, find a couple that owns some land out in the country very close to where we need to stay, and they've set up a couple RV sites on the land for short term (nightly or weekly) rental. Seems like really nice idea - Stay way out in the country, no neighbors hardly within sight, very peaceful in the country, creek running just down from the site that you can walk down to. And, of course, all of this with full hookups (50 amp, water, sewer). Call the number, talk to them, they seem really nice, so we book it, and plan to go there this last weekend.

Sooo, we make the 8 hour trip up there, find this place via GPS. Just before getting to the site, we run into neighbors of folks renting the land, and lets just say, they were not very happy about their neighbors renting their land to RVers. They'd recently had some not-so-nice people renting the site, that had caused some trouble. Neighbors say it is illegal for them to rent their land out like that to RVers, and they were in the process of trying to legally shut them down from doing such.

Despite a temptation to get the heck out of there and settle for one of the RV parks we know in the area (but really don't like)....We chose to stay. Owner of the land we were renting from met us out there, and we had a long talk. They assured us that what they are doing is perfectly legal, and the neighbors just don't like him, unhappy about past renters that caused problems, etc. Seemed like a nice couple, so we decided to try it out.

Well, we had a great stay there. Everything went great. Absolutely LOVED having nothing but woods and a dirt road around us. No neighbors right on top of us like at RV parks. Nobody bothered us entire time. It was like the best of both worlds - boondocking out in the woods, yet we had full hookups like an RV park. Yeah, no cable or satellite TV, but didn't really need that, anyway.

Only real issue we had was, cell coverage is very weak that far out in the country. I work remotely for a large financial services company, need strong cell connection to be able to work. Ultimately, would like to be able to park out there for a week or two at a time and be able to work from the RV. Will need a good cell connection to do that. I may be looking into a cell booster of some variety for that reason.

Soo, now the questions:

Has anyone ever stayed on someone's private land like this, that had RV sites set up for rent? What was your experience with such? Is this not a good idea?

Is there anything illegal about renting your land to RVers like they are doing? Do the disgruntled neighbors have a chance at shutting them down? Only thing I can think of that'd make it illegal, would be if the land isn't zoned to allow RVs? As rural as this area is, I'd seriously doubt that is the case.

Any advice, suggestions on a cell booster that'd allow for good data, and voice connections out in the boonies like that?

As always, all (well, most) comments, suggestions, etc. are welcome and appreciated. [emoticon]


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Posted: 07/16/19 08:27am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

For the cell booster we bought weboost. My cell would not work in the house but could get 2 bars of lte outside. Now I get 3-4 bars lte inside the house. I think it was about $500, and was very easy to set up.

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Posted: 07/16/19 08:32am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yes, it is probably illegal. Yes, it is likely the neighbors will get it shut down. They are running a RV park, which has many licensing requirements. In Montana, for example, there are fire codes, plumbing codes, electrical codes sanitation codes and water testing that parks must meet and are periodically inspected for.
To build a park, you must apply, pay for, and get approved "subdivision for rent" for each site. Part of that process are environmental studies, impact studies and public hearings. The land must be properly zoned and taxed for business use. Making rural land an RV park will likely mean tax exemptions for agriculture, forestry, undeveloped rural land and the like will no longer apply to the property and the owners would have to pay higher taxes, just like every other business. And that is the requirements in one of the most rural states in the US.

Can you really blame the neighbors? They likely bought rural property for privacy and peace and quiet. A RV park next door isn't what they bargained for. The density of a park means much more traffic, much more noise, an increase in trash and generally they are an eyesore compared to forested land and farmers fields. The problems are further compounded by the fact the owners apparently don't actively manage the park and some bad tenants impacted those neighbors negatively.
As for increasing your cell service, yes there are products that will improve marginal cell service. Wilson is a popular brand, their website is wilsonamplifiers.com. Be aware that no matter what you use, you aren't going to have as good a connection you would have in an area with solid cellular service to begin with.

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I'm curious, if you work remotely from home - why do you need to travel 450 miles and stay on an RV site developed on a rural farm.

I get it, nice view, no neighbors, creek on the backside ... but remote working means "from home or your own office" anywhere that has ISP service. But you chose to eliminate the "home office" then travel 450 miles and park where you have no or limited service.

Also, I believe it's probably legal if it only contains a limited number of guest sites for self-use it becomes a zoning issue and requires permit for a developed RV park. The farmer is probably bordering a case of illegal regardless if he rents it, but rural areas are often less restrictive unless one has a neighbor that disagrees and pushes hard at the interpretation of a specific zoning law.


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The legality depends on locally applicable zoning laws, sanitation/environmental laws, and probably a few other laws. The answer would likely vary from place to place (and sometimes also depend on how many sites are involved), and possibly on whether this is done commercially for income or not, etc.

In Vermont, the environmental agency requirements (sanitation and potable water and such) recognize four or more sites as a "campground" with specific requirements, while three or fewer are just camp sites and have much less regulation. That is in addition to any applicable town zoning regulations.





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As mentioned, legality is totally dependent on the location. But even at that, its not your concern unless the legal decree comes while you are on the land. And if that happened, youd just have to leave- no legal problem for you.

As far as neighbors not liking what another neighbor is doing with his property...as long as it is legal(again that caveat), its just his too bad. If you want to control the surrounding property, you have to buy it. Or buy a politician.

Sounds like a great spot.

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CFerguson wrote:

As mentioned, legality is totally dependent on the location. But even at that, its not your concern unless the legal decree comes while you are on the land. And if that happened, youd just have to leave- no legal problem for you.

As far as neighbors not liking what another neighbor is doing with his property...as long as it is legal(again that caveat), its just his too bad. If you want to control the surrounding property, you have to buy it. Or buy a politician.

Sounds like a great spot.


That's funny - I wonder which one is less expensive to buy?? Well, to answer my own Q, at least land stays bought LOL

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monkey44 wrote:

Also, I believe it's probably legal if it only contains a limited number of guest sites for self-use it becomes a zoning issue and requires permit for a developed RV park.

That's my guess too - limited use is probably defined for less than 10 people (or whatever number is correct).


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Ask people who live there what cell provider they use. One may be good.

As to legality, most rural areas have very few restrictions on how you use your land. We built a house and several outbuildings. The only time we interacted with any government entity was for a septic permit. No other permits at all, personal or business use.


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Seems to me, all the land owner would have to do is not charge for RV parking.
Of course, donations are encouraged, say $25 or $30, to "help defray expenses".
Sorta like the RV dump station at the City Park in Cut Bank, MT. Dumping is no charge, but the last time I used it a $3 donation was encouraged (I dropped $5 in the "Donation Box").
I do not believe any state agency can prevent a land owner from providing a free service.


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