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LanceRKeys

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Posted: 07/22/19 06:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I understand the kid thing. Maybe a truck with a topper? 8.1L suburbans are going to be hard to find, but should be just the ticket if you find one.

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I'm pretty sure a GMT-900 8.1L Suburban is the only SUV rated for that.

-The newer Suburbans have a hard 10,000# hitch limit.
-The 7.4L had a max GCWR of 16,000 I think?
-The Excursion has an 11,000 hitch limit.

So, besides an 8.1L Burb, I think your only other option for 3-rows is a Ford E350 with the V10 or diesel, or maybe a 2002 8.1L Express 3500 but they only made about 17 of them so they're really hard to find


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I tow a 6,500 pound boat and trailer with my 2009 2500 Suburban. It has the 6.0 and 6 speed with 3.73 gears. It does a good job but there's no way I'd want 11,500 pounds behind me. The new style that started in mid year 2007 is only rated to 9,600 pounds 2wd and 9,300 pounds 4wd. You would need to stay with a 2001 to early 2007 to get the 12,000 pound rating which is also the only time the 8.1L was available. They aren't that hard to find. When I was looking I found plenty of them within about 300 miles of me. I decided I'd rather have the 6 speed auto with the automatic downshifting since my trailer was well withing the rating.
I once towed about 13,000 behind a 2015 Chevy 3500 truck with a 6.0 gas engine. It did the job but going up Afton mountain I had the pedal on the floor and doing about 35 MPH.
Duraburb if you can afford one, they are around, particularly on ebay. 8.1L if you can't afford one. Or, you might consider a 3500 van with an 8.1L (good luck finding one). Or a Duramax equipped van, they aren't too hard to find and aren't super expensive either compared to a Suburban.

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An Excursion with a 7.3L diesel would be mighty sweet, tow great, and get decent fuel economy! [emoticon]


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Ummmm, If you just need to get the boat to a launch place 10 miles away, ANY 8 lug truck from ANY brand with a motor that is 200hp or over, will get you their safe and sanely! Especially if only on roads that have a max speed of 35-45 mph. Get on an interstate for a long time, you will want a few more ponies behind you. With that said, even an older 454, 460 BB V8 would do the trick. Or an early 7.3 V8, be it a turbo or cough IDI non turbo version! B5.9, my old 6.5td would pull a 12K trailer, but have to admit, with 185 hp, not fast, but had a 5 sp manual, 4.10 gears, 385 lb ft of torque, I went slow, but never stalled it out on steeper grades, like a local boat ramp that is in the mid teen% range!
Reality is, you just need ANY truck that will handle payload, chassis wise a 12K trailer......For me, that is 12K/2 = ANY rig with a RGAWR of 6000 lbs or more!
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Regarding the 2500 Suburban, the tow ratings being based on drivetrain options, does the legal GCWR change? Whatever the legal GVWR or GCWR is for the 8.1, is that the same for the 6.0?

I'm not trying to be unsafe if the axles, bearings, and brakes are the same on the 2500, then a few miles to the ramp I can see would be ok. However if the drivetrain changes to weaker components for a 9-10K rating the I will surely pursue the 8.1.

I agree I could likely get it back and forth without any issues, but I don't want any marks on my class A CDL so I have to try to keep everything legal.

I know the 8.1 has a different trans, but mainly curious of the chassis is still rated for the same GCWR and not just the factory recommended tow rating.

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gmcman wrote:

Regarding the 2500 Suburban, the tow ratings being based on drivetrain options, does the legal GCWR change? Whatever the legal GVWR or GCWR is for the 8.1, is that the same for the 6.0?

I'm not trying to be unsafe if the axles, bearings, and brakes are the same on the 2500, then a few miles to the ramp I can see would be ok. However if the drivetrain changes to weaker components for a 9-10K rating the I will surely pursue the 8.1.

I agree I could likely get it back and forth without any issues, but I don't want any marks on my class A CDL so I have to try to keep everything legal.

I know the 8.1 has a different trans, but mainly curious of the chassis is still rated for the same GCWR and not just the factory recommended tow rating.


I got my class A CDL out of a CrackerJack box. Can you tell me where exceeding the manufacturer's weight rating is any kind of violation?
Normally a lower power motor will result in a lower GCVWR, but often does not change GVWR. (Which when the lower power motor weighs less leads to higher payload for lower power)

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gmcman wrote:

Regarding the 2500 Suburban, the tow ratings being based on drivetrain options, does the legal GCWR change? Whatever the legal GVWR or GCWR is for the 8.1, is that the same for the 6.0?


GCWR has zero legal merit. It's a manufacturer's recommendation based on performance and longevity. That said, grade-ability of the 6.0 isn't great. Get stopped on a 12% grade with that much weight, and you probably won't get going again without using low-range.

The GCWR of the 6.0 is only 16,000 pounds.

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No Cracker Jack box CDL's here....In Va it's a different story, you're not going to lose a CDL over an overweight ticket, just was looking to avoid the confrontation altogether.

I'm in an area where scale bypassing is regular so there's always eyes out and brake checks all the time...would be just my luck the day I wanted to take a chance.

My question is does the GCWR change from engine to engine or just the recommended tow rating based on engine? Can the platform handle the weight even if the motor is weaker is what I'm trying to say.

If I took a 6.0 2500 burb and put a duramax/allison in, then my rating would change based on power, but what about legal GCWR?

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In the burb, the ONLY difference between a 6.0 @ 8.1 is the motor! Possibly a 10.5" f2f rear axle vs a 9.5 SF. It's this way in early pickups.
Reality, a warranty item only trucks your looking at are out of warranty. Legal standpoint, gcwr, even the gvwr and gawr from the manufacture have no Legal meaning!
As noted, a 6.0/454/8.1 with the 4l80e/th400/4l85e derivative are pretty poor when it comes to steeper grades. Around a max of 16% at 20000 lbs. Where as the newest version, granted a bitt more torque, but the 6 so trans is way lower in gearing, so over 30% gradability. More than my 05 max by 5%!!!!
Marty

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