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mich800

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Posted: 07/26/19 08:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

covered wagon wrote:

Lwiddis wrote:

"A motor home driving in the same lane as the cyclist came up behind him while navigating a curve near mile marker 79 and reportedly slowed down but could not move over on the two-lane highway as another vehicle was oncoming, MHP officials said."

So much for sharing the road with this MH driver. So much for controlling your speed so that you can stop before you hit a cyclist on a narrow road.


Good post excellent point.

Fact is most drive beyond safety margins by driving fast as they can, thinking it's within reason and are unconcerned with how those safety margins change. They also ignore the potential things that can happen and don't leave enough time to correct if all the wrong circumstances arise at once. It's sad to see such lack of concern for others.


It makes you wonder. What if it was a piece of farm equipment, an Amish buggy, or any other obstacle. Listening to some of the comments it seems like as long as the obstacle will not cause too much damage to their vehicle go ahead and hit it. If it was a tractor in the road would the motorhome have done more to brake instead of just trying to move over? Probably, because a tractor would pose a higher risk of damage or injury to themselves.

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Posted: 07/26/19 08:40pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Maine has a 3’ rule for passing bikes.
We have a lot of bike lanes. Sometimes they stay in “their” lane sometimes not.
There are still a few cyclists deaths every year.


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Posted: 07/26/19 09:05pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mich800 wrote:

It makes you wonder. What if it was a piece of farm equipment, an Amish buggy, or any other obstacle. Listening to some of the comments it seems like as long as the obstacle will not cause too much damage to their vehicle go ahead and hit it. If it was a tractor in the road would the motorhome have done more to brake instead of just trying to move over? Probably, because a tractor would pose a higher risk of damage or injury to themselves.

i don't believe anyone had even hinted at to just "go ahead and hit it". bike riders, pedestrians, motor vehicles all need to be watchful and careful. but everyone also has a responsibility to act responsibly and share tge road. but from observing bike riders in my town on a daily basis i'd have to say that bikers as a whole generally ignore traffic safety laws placing themselves and pedestrians in harm's way. running stop signs and traffic lights, suddenly swerving in front of motor vehicles to make right or left turns, speeding on walking paths seemingly oblivious to pedestrians out for a stroll, riding on sidewalks weaving between pedestrians, wearing dark or non-reflective clothing at night while riding unlit bikes, riding abreast rather than single file and on an on.

drivers need to be more aware as well and "start seeing bikers" but virtually every driver i see that comes up on a biker from the rear moves over to pass or slows down and waits if oncoming traffic doesn't permit it. no, nobody has suggested or implied its ok to hit a biker but if a biker is riding recklessly which results in a crash then that biker bears at least partial responsibility.


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Posted: 07/27/19 12:32am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Lwiddis wrote:

"A motor home driving in the same lane as the cyclist came up behind him while navigating a curve near mile marker 79 and reportedly slowed down but could not move over on the two-lane highway as another vehicle was oncoming, MHP officials said."

So much for sharing the road with this MH driver. So much for controlling your speed so that you can stop before you hit a cyclist on a narrow road.


IVE RIDDEN CYCLES pedal and motor, since i could
and ive driven all kinds of vehicles, i have a 36ft MH, and a motorcycle

on a 2 lane road going around a mountain curve, with oncoming traffic
if a cyclist is NOT in the clear, you can NOT avoid him, unless you are barely traveling faster than he is, you know like 2-5 mph above his speed. which makes the RV a danger to the traffic behind it

on highways an unincorporated areas with no side walks and curbs
riding a bicycle i will ride facing traffic so i can see what is coming at me, instead of ignoring what is behind me, i also walk that way along the side of the road, so i see on coming vehicles

its the way I was taught where i grew up

it is the cyclist job to keep himself safe, just as it is my job as an RV driver to do my best to keep my RV under control
but if i round the curve and there he is in front of me,
20,000# is going to when the collision contest, and nothing is going change that except me going off the road maybe killing myself and other drivers


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Many postes talk of bikes being careless. And yes, it does happen. But many drivers are irrational about bikes. I'm commuting, probably 12-15 MPH, traffic passing me at 40, no issue. Light turns red, cars stop. Now I'm passing them at 15, and you would think I was slapping their face as I go by.
If a cyclist is not obeying the law/rules of the road, and gets hit, that is on him. But if he is just riding along, obeying the rules with regard to lights and reflectors, and you run into him, it is you that is wrong

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Posted: 07/27/19 05:15am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mich800 wrote:

Airdaile wrote:

whjco wrote:

azdryheat wrote:

When you step foot in the ocean you become part of the food chain. Kind of the same on a roadway.


Like it or not, as aggravating as they can sometimes be, a cyclist has the same legal rights to most roads as we do with our RVs.


And I will afford them their rights as soon as I see one of them stop for a stop sign.


Case closed. I also have never seen someone in an automobile not obeying traffic laws. But I assure you. If I see someone in a car fails to stop, game on time to run them down.


Nice try. If a motorist runs a stop sign and a cop sees it, there's at least a chance that someone will get a ticket. Nothing ever happens to a biker - NOTHING. Never seen or even heard of a cop busting a cyclist. Scofflaws pure and simple.





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Posted: 07/27/19 05:34am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

JRscooby wrote:

Many postes talk of bikes being careless. And yes, it does happen. But many drivers are irrational about bikes. I'm commuting, probably 12-15 MPH, traffic passing me at 40, no issue. Light turns red, cars stop. Now I'm passing them at 15, and you would think I was slapping their face as I go by.
If a cyclist is not obeying the law/rules of the road, and gets hit, that is on him. But if he is just riding along, obeying the rules with regard to lights and reflectors, and you run into him, it is you that is wrong


Just to be clear, you aren't just going through a red light "passing them at 15mph"? Because THAT is what pisses off car drivers, it happens all the time, and that is why they are giving you the stink eye.

At a red light, you bicycle up towards the intersection on the right hand side, correct? Fine, but... if the first car has its right hand blinker on, do you go right up next to it, blocking it from turning? Especially after the light turns green, do you start out right away -- preventing the car, who was at the intersection before you, from turning?

I was stopped by a worker on the road where construction was going on while they were moving equipment. Two bicyclists come up... do they stop with the traffic until given the okay to go? No, of course not (at least where I live). They see a gap behind the back of the traffic control guy and shoot through the construction scene. Traffic guy just grimaces, sees me and we both just shrug our shoulders. Just another day of dealing with rude bicyclists who ignore "rules of the road".

I am always a little surprised at the "bicycle advocates" who seemingly never see any bicyclist ignoring road laws and just being a jerk in general on the road.

For all the bicyclists out there who obey the law and the rules of the road, thank you!! Keep it up! And please make an effort to educate other bicyclists.


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Posted: 07/27/19 06:47am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Love all the back-seat, after the fact "I know" comments. Since none of us were there we cannot say for certain who was right and who was wrong. If there's any real "fault" involved it's the fact we have too many people trying to share too few roads. It appears it was a hard choice-stay in your lane and potentially hit the cyclist or move over and potentially hit another vehicle head-on. There's no right answer.

For those who say "this will never happen to me" arrogance goeth before the fall. Stuff happens. Sometimes you do your best and you still fail.


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Tvov wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

Many postes talk of bikes being careless. And yes, it does happen. But many drivers are irrational about bikes. I'm commuting, probably 12-15 MPH, traffic passing me at 40, no issue. Light turns red, cars stop. Now I'm passing them at 15, and you would think I was slapping their face as I go by.
If a cyclist is not obeying the law/rules of the road, and gets hit, that is on him. But if he is just riding along, obeying the rules with regard to lights and reflectors, and you run into him, it is you that is wrong


Just to be clear, you aren't just going through a red light "passing them at 15mph"? Because THAT is what pisses off car drivers, it happens all the time, and that is why they are giving you the stink eye.


No, as I get close to the intersection I adjust my speed, want to go across intersection near middle of green. This section of state highway has 2 travel lanes each direction, plus 2 left turn, and a right turn at the intersections. Near the major intersections, it has walls to seperate cars going different directions, but between there is 2 wide lanes to use for turning left into business driveway.

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At a red light, you bicycle up towards the intersection on the right hand side, correct? Fine, but... if the first car has its right hand blinker on, do you go right up next to it, blocking it from turning? Especially after the light turns green, do you start out right away -- preventing the car, who was at the intersection before you, from turning?


When I'm passing cars I always look for turn signals. I will not pass one unless I'm sure that I will not interfere. At the start of a right turn lane, I will move left until I'm at the right edge of thru lane. And yes, at that point I may have cars on both sides of me. Double handful of seat and both hands on the bars.

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I was stopped by a worker on the road where construction was going....



You don't want to hear of all the stupid I have seen around construction sites, but it is enough that I do not think a ticket should be issued for speeding thru one. A better idea, is soon as you are stopped, while still in hurry, blindfold you, tie you so you can't move, stand you in a barrel, and set you on the line to protect the workers for a few hours.


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Just another day of dealing with rude bicyclists who ignore "rules of the road".

I am always a little surprised at the "bicycle advocates" who seemingly never see any bicyclist ignoring road laws and just being a jerk in general on the road.


And always a little surprised when a RVer gets all upset at the thought of taking a test to prove he knows the difference in the "rules" between car and a larger vehicle. Or my marker lights don't work, what should I do when I get home?
It is not just the cyclist that think the rules don't apply...

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Posted: 07/27/19 08:34am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This is a time I wish I knew of a good Cycling forum so I can read all the posts that are the polar opposite of these. The one thing that is inarguable is that the laws of physics win against the laws of government. 150lb biker vs 30,000lb RV is not a fair fight. Doesn't really matter to the biker who was legally at fault, physics won.

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