โJul-31-2019 07:57 AM
โAug-14-2019 08:12 AM
Acdii wrote:
The post above is right, FORGET DRY WEIGHT, it is a useless number unless you want to estimate.
Also Forget looking at any trailer until you do the most important thing. Weigh your tow vehicle! Load it up with the family, and any cargo you assume you will carry in it, and take it to a CAT scale.
โAug-13-2019 02:11 PM
โAug-06-2019 09:51 PM
โAug-06-2019 09:22 AM
drsteve wrote:librty02 wrote:
And also if you decide on going to look at a 3/4 ton truck you must also watch their payloads. A 3/4 ton gas truck will have a lot more payload than a 3/4 ton diesel truck does. Heck I've looked at some loaded up 3/4 ton diesel trucks before that had payload capacities as low as the 1600 lb range...most don't go over 2100 lbs unless they are less optioned models. So if you would decide on a diesel I would highly recommend a 1 ton as it will have more payload capacity at very little cost difference than the 3/4 ton. But honestly a 3/4 ton gas would fit your bill perfectly and most likely not cost much more than that 1/2 ton Suburban...good luck in your search
Keep in mind that many 3/4 ton trucks these days are essentially SRW one ton trucks with an artificially low 10,000 lb GVWR limit. The reason for 10,000 lb is that in many states, registration costs go up significantly because >10,000 lb means you pay for commercial plates.
โAug-06-2019 08:02 AM
itsjustjer wrote:Go to the dealer's lot and look at a TT you would like. Look at the sticker on it, it will have a weight on it "As Shipped". Add 1200 lbs to that weight and multiply by 12%; that will give you the tongue weight {close enough; 100 lbs one way or the other ain't going to kill you}.
...I understand what youโre saying and thatโs fine. My frustration comes from the inability to calculate ANY weight to ANY certain degree seeing as how itโs impossible to know that any weight is actually accurate from the manufacturer. How has anyone ever purchased a vehicle and camper and known theyโd be compatible if we canโt rely on payload numbers or tongue weight numbers from the manufacturer?.
โAug-06-2019 07:56 AM
librty02 wrote:
And also if you decide on going to look at a 3/4 ton truck you must also watch their payloads. A 3/4 ton gas truck will have a lot more payload than a 3/4 ton diesel truck does. Heck I've looked at some loaded up 3/4 ton diesel trucks before that had payload capacities as low as the 1600 lb range...most don't go over 2100 lbs unless they are less optioned models. So if you would decide on a diesel I would highly recommend a 1 ton as it will have more payload capacity at very little cost difference than the 3/4 ton. But honestly a 3/4 ton gas would fit your bill perfectly and most likely not cost much more than that 1/2 ton Suburban...good luck in your search
โAug-06-2019 06:20 AM
โAug-03-2019 09:50 PM
โAug-03-2019 08:17 PM
โAug-03-2019 06:37 PM
itsjustjer wrote:
I understand what youโre saying and thatโs fine.
#1 My frustration comes from the inability to calculate ANY weight to ANY certain degree seeing as how itโs impossible to know that any weight is actually accurate from the manufacturer.
#2 How has anyone ever purchased a vehicle and camper and known theyโd be compatible if we canโt rely on payload numbers or tongue weight numbers from the manufacturer?
#3 There are a lot of campers Iโve looked at that state they have close to 3k lbs cargo carrying capacity.
#4 Iโve dragged out everything we had in our old camper and weighed it, plus weighed way more clothes than weโd ever bring realistically, plus so much more gear that weโd probably just shove in the camper to store it and probably never actually use.
All of that weighs about 650 lbs (I think it was 644).
I just rounded that up to 1k lbs because maybe weโll want to travel with a tank of water sometime.
#5 Now there is a huge difference between adding an additional 1k lbs to the dry weight versus adding an additional 3k lbs to the dry weight.
#6 Iโm all for over estimating (as you may have noticed), but over estimating by 2k lbs is kind of overkill considering everything else has been overestimated already.
#7 This is my problem with saying weโll use the GVWR on a trailer. However, if we canโt rely on the dry weight to be even remotely accurate then how is it even possible for someone to know what weight theyโre supposed to add their gear weight onto to find their loaded weight? Thatโs the frustration.
โAug-03-2019 09:42 AM
Gdetrailer wrote:itsjustjer wrote:
Pardon me if I come across as frustrated with this post, but if we canโt depend on ANY numbers from the vehicle or the RV manufacturer to be correct, then how has anyone ever purchased a vehicle and RV and known they were within their limits until after the fact?
Maybe weโll just rent whatever model weโre thinking of buying and take it to the scale. Even then, that particular trailer isnโt going to weigh the same as the specific one weโll be buying.
Sorry that the answers you are getting do not fit your idea of a proper tow vehicle/trailer match.
Folks ARE giving you straight up GOOD ADVICE on tongue weight, I would REALLY RECOMMEND HEEDING THIS ADVICE.
10% tongue weight is THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM, it IS LESS THAN IDEAL putting YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN TO A PLACE YOU DO NOT WISH TO GO. That is especially true when "Mr MURPHY" decides to cross your path at the wrong time (like going down hill on a major Interstate at say 70 MPH and a deer jumps across the road). That is when you WILL be WISHING you had 15% tongue weight or more..
For each % above 10% you will find the trailer will track better and be much more stable. Some say 12%, some say 13% but personally, myself I LOVE 15%..
Yeah, I HAVE encountered not once but TWICE deer running right across the road while on a major Interstate while running 70 MPH.. Both times I was able to fully keep control of my vehicle and trailer without even changing lanes.
Granted in both cases I am driving a F250 with 6500 lbs of 26 ft trailer behind me and not once did it ever feel like I was about to lose control.
My tongue weight?
975 lbs loaded.. 15%
Empty weight of 5500 lbs I have 770 lbs on the tongue or 14%.
You simply will not like how your trailer tows if you run 10% tongue weight and most likely will be back complaining about it..
Tongue weight is your friend..
โAug-02-2019 03:42 PM
itsjustjer wrote:
Pardon me if I come across as frustrated with this post, but if we canโt depend on ANY numbers from the vehicle or the RV manufacturer to be correct, then how has anyone ever purchased a vehicle and RV and known they were within their limits until after the fact?
Maybe weโll just rent whatever model weโre thinking of buying and take it to the scale. Even then, that particular trailer isnโt going to weigh the same as the specific one weโll be buying.
โAug-02-2019 12:41 PM
โAug-02-2019 11:29 AM