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Huntindog

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Posted: 09/04/19 01:31pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

CALANDLIN wrote:

However, they are minimal standards and when you are operating outside those standards you can be held accountable for your actions.

In what way?

When you make a statement like that, you should clarify it. Otherwise people will draw a conclusion based on what they think you may be insinuating.

In this case, I think you are reffering to legal problems that may arise in the event of an accident. Or you could be refferring to warranty issues, or perhaps both.

I agree that is a possibility for those (and there is always someone) that puts tires on that are less capable than the "certified" replacements. Those people can and should be held accountable.

But those that go above and beyond the "certified" choice should be fine...There is plenty of evidence out there that shows just how unreliable the "certified" choices have proven to be. Of course any one can be sued for any reason.... Even those participating in this discussion can be sued, just for talking about it. Winning such a lawsuit is an entirely different matter.




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Cal,
I have two questions. First, out of curiosity, given all your research into this subject, what tires are you using on your trailers ? I'm always curious to hear other's experiences when they are based on a lot of research and experience.

Second question, and a posted photo here. This is a page of the dexter manual, and also a page out of one of my trailer manuals. I merged the two into one picture here.

My question is this: do you think it's fair to say the folks at Dexter, and also the folks at the trailer company ( Titan, in this case ) have also read all the related documentation that you have provided ?

And if they have, is it fair to conclude that after they read it, they agreed ( likely in a committee ) it "would be ok to mention the use of LT or ST tires" in the printed manuals ?

In other words, what I am saying here is that I, as a consumer, am NOT making an arbitrary decision out of my own limited "garage-mahal thinking".
I am, in fact, as a consumer, reading a manual, written by the folks that built the axles, and another manual written by the folks that built the trailer. And THAT point goes back to my much earlier post to this thread, "it's in the manual".

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Huntindog wrote:

CALANDLIN wrote:

However, they are minimal standards and when you are operating outside those standards you can be held accountable for your actions.

In what way?

When you make a statement like that, you should clarify it. Otherwise people will draw a conclusion based on what they think you may be insinuating.

In this case, I think you are reffering to legal problems that may arise in the event of an accident. Or you could be refferring to warranty issues, or perhaps both.

I agree that is a possibility for those (and there is always someone) that puts tires on that are less capable than the "certified" replacements. Those people can and should be held accountable.

But those that go above and beyond the "certified" choice should be fine...There is plenty of evidence out there that shows just how unreliable the "certified" choices have proven to be. Of course any one can be sued for any reason.... Even those participating in this discussion can be sued, just for talking about it. Winning such a lawsuit is an entirely different matter.



There is a link provided by NHTSA where anyone can request an interpretation. I did that and asked them to give me one for "industry Standards". Much like their regulations their answer was short and to the point....."Industry standards generally form the basis for demonstrating product safety and quality before courts, regulators, consumers and others".

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Cal,
I have two questions. First, out of curiosity, given all your research into this subject, what tires are you using on your trailers ? I'm always curious to hear other's experiences when they are based on a lot of research and experience. I have 6000# GAWR vehicle certified axles. I use ST235/80R16 LRE tires inflated to 80 PSI which provides 520# in load capacity reserves per tire. I replace them every three years.

Second question, and a posted photo here. This is a page of the dexter manual, and also a page out of one of my trailer manuals. I merged the two into one picture here. Dexter is an OEM provider.

My question is this: do you think it's fair to say the folks at Dexter, and also the folks at the trailer company ( Titan, in this case ) have also read all the related documentation that you have provided ? They really don't need to, they don't have anything to do with vehicle certification.

And if they have, is it fair to conclude that after they read it, they agreed ( likely in a committee ) it "would be ok to mention the use of LT or ST tires" in the printed manuals ? Dexter is not a tire provider. They have nothing to do with tire selections.

In other words, what I am saying here is that I, as a consumer, am NOT making an arbitrary decision out of my own limited "garage-mahal thinking".
I am, in fact, as a consumer, reading a manual, written by the folks that built the axles, and another manual written by the folks that built the trailer. And THAT point goes back to my much earlier post to this thread, "it's in the manual". The vehicle manufacturer has the sole responsibility for tire selection for all vehicles they build. All highway tires may be fitted to RV trailer axles once they have been approved by the trailer manufacturer. Others may be authorized as options. No others qualify.

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Posted: 09/05/19 06:37am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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I have 6000# GAWR vehicle certified axles. I use ST235/80R16 LRE tires inflated to 80 PSI which provides 520# in load capacity reserves per tire. I replace them every three years.

Ouch...thats gotta' hurt. This is the biggest reason I don't use ST tires on my RV trailers. Hell I couldn't afford them.
I've used LT235/85-16 E tires on several trailers with 6k axles and replace them when they reach 50k-55k miles or 7-8 years which ever comes first.

Anywayz the legalistic sounding opinions were hearing from Cal can be read over and over ad nauseam by searching FastEagle on this website (and other rv websites). Don't feed the troll.


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Ouch indeed. If I replaced tires that often, I'd be buying 16 tires every three years for my trailers alone. No thanks.

Ok, I've added all to this one I can think of. I'm happy with my choices and satisfied with my interpretation of the dexter and trailer owners manuals.

My long time friend/owner of the local Good Year store, which is also a independent tire dealer ( multi brand ) is more than happy to sell and mount LT tires to me on all my trailers. I'm good to go here.

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JIMNLIN wrote:

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I have 6000# GAWR vehicle certified axles. I use ST235/80R16 LRE tires inflated to 80 PSI which provides 520# in load capacity reserves per tire. I replace them every three years.

Ouch...thats gotta' hurt. This is the biggest reason I don't use ST tires on my RV trailers. Hell I couldn't afford them.
I've used LT235/85-16 E tires on several trailers with 6k axles and replace them when they reach 50k-55k miles or 7-8 years which ever comes first.

Anywayz the legalistic sounding opinions were hearing from Cal can be read over and over ad nauseam by searching FastEagle on this website (and other rv websites). Don't feed the troll.

It doesn’t hurt so bad when the offshore ST tire companies are providing compensation for ones undying support. How many people has he intimidated (bullied) into making the mistake of continuing putting on ST tires? This has been going on for at least 10 years now.

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JIMNLIN wrote:

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I have 6000# GAWR vehicle certified axles. I use ST235/80R16 LRE tires inflated to 80 PSI which provides 520# in load capacity reserves per tire. I replace them every three years.

Ouch...thats gotta' hurt. This is the biggest reason I don't use ST tires on my RV trailers. Hell I couldn't afford them.
I've used LT235/85-16 E tires on several trailers with 6k axles and replace them when they reach 50k-55k miles or 7-8 years which ever comes first.

Anywayz the legalistic sounding opinions were hearing from Cal can be read over and over ad nauseam by searching FastEagle on this website (and other rv websites). Don't feed the troll.


As you well know my original trailer tires were ST235/80R16 LRD and made in the USA . The number of failures in the first couple of years forced me into trailer tire researching. Numerous trips to the scales and an increase in load range from D to E solved most of our failure problems. Because of our trailer's 32" axle spacing, center to center, taller tires than what we already use wont work. Sometimes we changed sooner than 3 years because of mileage. The newer higher speed rated tires with better compounding should go 5 years depending on mileage. We now have the option to go up to LRF but the LRE have been successful. But we would have to change wheels because ours are pressure rated at 80 PSI.

To be fair about tires I'll point out that we do not skimp. In the first 200K on our dually it had 5 sets of tires. No matter what they look like, when they start breaking out with a little extra torque I change them.

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gmw photos wrote:

Ouch indeed. If I replaced tires that often, I'd be buying 16 tires every three years for my trailers alone. No thanks.

Ok, I've added all to this one I can think of. I'm happy with my choices and satisfied with my interpretation of the dexter and trailer owners manuals.

My long time friend/owner of the local Good Year store, which is also a independent tire dealer ( multi brand ) is more than happy to sell and mount LT tires to me on all my trailers. I'm good to go here.


Didn't you already say your trailer documentation from the manufacturer authorizes LT tire use?

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Ouch indeed. If I replaced tires that often, I'd be buying 16 tires every three years for my trailers alone. No thanks.


This is why I try not to get into personal discussions. My messages are from how it's supposed to be done. Not how well something different from the established way works for others.

* This post was edited 09/05/19 04:51pm by CALandLIN *

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