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midnightsadie

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Posted: 09/13/19 03:35pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

its going to happen remember the first cell phone wasn,t that long ago.

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Groover wrote:

time2roll wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

UPS tried the electric local delivery truck scenario and quickly found out that 'being green' wasn't the way to go.
Is that why UPS is buying 1,000 EV vans, converting 1500 trucks in NY, and 125 Tesla Semi on order?

https://electrek.co/2018/06/15/ups-fleet-1000-electric-vans-workhorse/


UPS tried diesels in my area but quickly abandoned that and the drivers I asked about it were very happy to go back to gas. So, no more diesel trucks for you either?


Yea, a modern diesel and delivery truck that makes constant stops like UPS aren't going to work very well. I love my modern era diesel and it works great for me but I could saved them some money and told them that it wouldn't work in their case.

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pianotuna wrote:

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The simple answer is wrong. The Nissan Leaf makes money, and has since 2014.

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Are any electric vehicles currently profitable for the manufacturer?


Simple answer..... NO.
all depends on what your definition of profit is and how heavy the corporate burden.
Tesla vehicles create profit but carry a heavy burden from continuous expansion of existing production, continuing technology development and new vehicle development. Does Tesla the company make a profit... certainly not.


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Posted: 09/13/19 03:51pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

midnightsadie wrote:

its going to happen remember the first cell phone wasn,t that long ago.
yes way to bulky, limited talk time from short battery life, too heavy and all it did was make phone calls. Crazy.

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time2roll wrote:

midnightsadie wrote:

its going to happen remember the first cell phone wasn,t that long ago.
yes way to bulky, limited talk time from short battery life, too heavy and all it did was make phone calls. Crazy.

Not quite an equal comparison. Electric motors have been around for close to 200 years and yet are still not the mainstay of personal transportation. I'm sure a couple more years is all we need. "Technology" isn't able to advance vehicle propulsion at nearly the same rate as electronics and wireless communication.

As for cell phones, my first larger Motorola lasted a day or two on a charge. Guess how long my smartphone lasts?

We'll get there but not at the rate so many are promising.

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I’m thinking it’ll take 10 years for BEV sales to overtake ICE sales. Certainly in North America anyway.

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time2roll wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

Hi,

The simple answer is wrong. The Nissan Leaf makes money, and has since 2014.

SidecarFlip wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:

Are any electric vehicles currently profitable for the manufacturer?


Simple answer..... NO.
all depends on what your definition of profit is and how heavy the corporate burden.
Tesla vehicles create profit but carry a heavy burden from continuous expansion of existing production, continuing technology development and new vehicle development. Does Tesla the company make a profit... certainly not.


Exactly, and pioneers always carry the big burden of research and development.

And start ups, think all those computer companies, are unprofitable until they achieve economies of scale that will absorb all the development costs and overhead into bigger production and higher number of units produced.

Why do you think every car company is now going into it if there is no profit at the end of the rainbow?

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time2roll wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

UPS tried the electric local delivery truck scenario and quickly found out that 'being green' wasn't the way to go.
Is that why UPS is buying 1,000 EV vans, converting 1500 trucks in NY, and 125 Tesla Semi on order?

https://electrek.co/2018/06/15/ups-fleet-1000-electric-vans-workhorse/


According to the link they should have had them for at least over six months. Have they released any statement on how much if any cost savings they have experienced? Or at least how successful the roll out was. I haven't seen anything that I remember on the progress.

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For those of us that use trucks. It needs to be rated under SAE J2807. It needs to cover 500 miles in a 10 hour day. I need it rated for at least a 12,000# 5er. I do not need an expensive grocery getter or lawn ornament. I am willing to pay for performance, but not for feeling good.

We will also need infrastructure at campgrounds. I don't really see a solution for dry camping for 2 or 3 days in the boonies. We dry camp and do light 4 wheeling for about 2 or 3 days, where do I charge? The last one is the real deal killer for me.

A 5 gallon jug of diesel that weighs 40#, with a low fire danger, gets me 10 mpg towing, 15 mpg 4 wheeling, or 19 mpg naked on a good level road. Energy density is a key as is easy transport.

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thomas201 wrote:

where do I charge?


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