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pianotuna

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Posted: 09/16/19 09:08am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

thomas201,

What frightens me is your figures show huge growth of demand year over year.


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time2roll wrote:

Why not add solar and wind to the data and see what is growing faster?


I wonder also about 2018 numbers.

Seems counter-intuitive because China, the biggest coal user, have radically reduced consumptions and it's even felt on our coal industry (dying).

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It looks as if Mex is correct:

"Oil soars after Saudi supply shock, stocks slide: Oil prices climbed to four-month highs on Monday and world stocks slid after weekend attacks on crude facilities in Saudi Arabia shut about 5 per cent of the world’s supply and fuelled worries over the impact of an oil shock on economic growth. Tokyo’s Nikkei was closed, but Hong Kong’s Hang Seng lost 0.8 per cent, and the Shanghai Composite dipped slightly. In Europe, London’s FTSE 100, Germany’s DAX and the Paris CAC 40 were down by between 0.1 and 0.6 per cent by about 4:30 a.m. ET. New York futures were down."

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No reliable 2018 numbers yet. For renewables, no 2017 numbers. The renewable numbers include hydro, wind, solar and biomass. I think that includes cow dung and wood. Posting the whole thing is a mess, so I just posted the yearly change from 2000 and up. I know natural gas is low, flaring while drilling, clean up, and lease uses for pumping and compression are not included. So gas is low. Oil I believe, people watch those numbers. Coal and renewables I do not have a clue. These should be produced numbers, not nameplate.

Year Fossil Renew
2000 2352.01897 60.49454
2001 1176.81469 -54.9833
2002 2202.04878 76.67061
2003 4206.64766 14.44469
2004 4864.47733 217.3108
2005 3859.31736 157.2348
2006 3287.83139 166.4127
2007 4136.29919 107.2261
2008 1088.66905 254.7972
2009 -2295.92858 79.24845
2010 5652.95498 301.5288
2011 3173.09954 208.4541
2012 1651.33455 329.9933
2013 1900.32241 306.4774
2014 647.31051 250.293
2015 568.34261 235.7157
2016 1262.92864 353.2668
2017 2008.44973

As someone else said, note the total increase each year of both. We use a lot of energy and it keeps growing. Renewable seems to just be an addition, not a replacement.
Once again I can't wait to see "Planet of the Humans", I know I will not like it. I wounder if anyone will?

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ShinerBock wrote:

These threads about electric tow vehicles are like a revolving door similar to the payload threads. Once one is done, another takes its place within a few weeks started by the same people even though they are years if not decades away from being the majority of on road tow vehicles.

Marty, can we just make an electric truck sticky thread similar to the diesel versus gas thread so we don't have to go through the same circle jerk over and over again?


I'm not quite there yet, but discussing the same things over and over again does get old.

I think we should have an EV section under General. They aren't ready to tow the same high numbers that most trucks can... even though yes, one Tesla towed a little popup across Canada.

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Hi MnGeeks,

I believe it was a tear drop? But if it is a pop up then it is just another example of early adopters.

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I will once again urge those who believe in EVs and green energy to read reviews of Planet of the Humans. Think, look at the energy and carbon dioxide balances. Don't believe me or anyone, follow the numbers (money). One example, and google is your friend.
https://www.nonfictionfilm.com/news/planet-of-the-humans-possibly-most-bracing-environmental-documentary-ever-made-premieres-at-traverse-city-film-festival

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https://www.nonfictionfilm.com/news/pla........remieres-at-traverse-city-film-festival

We should try to consume less and shift as fast as we can to alternative energies.

I do disagree with some of the statements in the link--such as the rare earths in wind turbines. It is quite possible to have a generator without them.

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thomas201 wrote:

I will once again urge those who believe in EVs and green energy to read reviews of Planet of the Humans. Think, look at the energy and carbon dioxide balances. Don't believe me or anyone, follow the numbers (money). One example, and google is your friend.
https://www.nonfictionfilm.com/news/planet-of-the-humans-possibly-most-bracing-environmental-documentary-ever-made-premieres-at-traverse-city-film-festival


Obviously population rise is the biggest problem, but it's a tough egg to crack.

I liked this part:

"The ultimate problem is that there are too many people consuming too much and we don't even have a word or a name for what this total human apocalypse is called," Gibbs told me during an interview in Traverse City. "What is the word for a single species that's overrun an entire planet and is causing mayhem in every direction?"

The word is virus. That's what we are.

The bad news is this is irreversible. The good news is it will all be over soon enough, and Earth can continue on it's way without us.


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