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time2roll

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Posted: 09/15/19 11:20am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Lynnmor wrote:

I was talking about the mining to produce the materials used in solar panels, wind turbines and the considerable power lines required. This is usually not considered by those with an agenda.
Mining can be improved also. Many tools and machines are going electric and the sooner they are powered by wind and solar the better.

Currently the transition is going to pick the low hanging fruit for the lowest cost and higher impact. As technology and resources improve more areas including mining can be cleaned up. In the mean time lots of people are working on solutions. Should we stop all progress until all issues are resolved? I like to keep going were we can.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minin........c-mine-dumps-diesel-cuts-costs-pollution

* This post was edited 09/15/19 11:28am by time2roll *


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Lynnmor wrote:

I have Amish neighbors, they are doing just fine with their horses, plus they are without electricity or a Ford. I do hate the road apples.
https://wastelessfuture.com/the-horse-manure-crisis

I don't think going back to horses is a viable solution in many ways besides the waste.

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Hi,

I believe I specified "from the cradle to the grave". That obviously includes mining, and transporting the raw materials.

Solar can be used at the local level so there are fewer power lines not more.

My "agenda", if I have one, is to lower green house gas emissions. Happily, solar may help to do that while keeping money in my pocket.

Lynnmor wrote:

I was talking about the mining to produce the materials used in solar panels, wind turbines and the considerable power lines required. This is usually not considered by those with an agenda.



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My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp hours of AGM in two battery banks 12 volt batteries, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

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pianotuna wrote:

Hi,

I believe I specified "from the cradle to the grave". That obviously includes mining, and transporting the raw materials.

Solar can be used at the local level so there are fewer power lines not more.

My "agenda", if I have one, is to lower green house gas emissions. Happily, solar may help to do that while keeping money in my pocket.

Lynnmor wrote:

I was talking about the mining to produce the materials used in solar panels, wind turbines and the considerable power lines required. This is usually not considered by those with an agenda.


Already happening. My brother-in-law's new house includes solar and he has zero electricity bill even while his a/c is 24/7.

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pianotuna wrote:

Hi,

I believe I specified "from the cradle to the grave". That obviously includes mining, and transporting the raw materials.

Solar can be used at the local level so there are fewer power lines not more.

My "agenda", if I have one, is to lower green house gas emissions. Happily, solar may help to do that while keeping money in my pocket.

Lynnmor wrote:

I was talking about the mining to produce the materials used in solar panels, wind turbines and the considerable power lines required. This is usually not considered by those with an agenda.


And manufacturing solar panels has definitely less emissions than building a new power plant with equivalent generating capacities.

Then emission stops after solar panels are installed.

* This post was edited 09/15/19 07:08pm by Yosemite Sam1 *

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Fossil fuels converted to terawatt hours. I got this from 1800. Conversion is made so you can add them.
Coal Oil Gas Total Delta
2000 27403.95 43038.62 24019.89 94462.4579 2352.019
2001 27851.05 43421.11 24367.11 95639.2726 1176.815
2002 28936.64 43796.55 25108.13 97841.3214 2202.049
2003 31475.58 44803.21 25769.18 102047.969 4206.648
2004 33656.31 46503.97 26752.17 106912.446 4864.477
2005 36118.95 47115.73 27537.09 110771.764 3859.317
2006 37979.82 47732.2 28347.58 114059.595 3287.831
2007 40143.91 48471.73 29580.25 118195.894 4136.299
2008 40712.54 48250.64 30321.38 119284.563 1088.669
2009 40088.34 47422.37 29477.93 116988.635 -2295.93
2010 41932.75 48949.72 31759.12 122641.59 5652.955
2011 43948.97 49455.27 32410.45 125814.689 3173.1
2012 44129.62 50065.86 33270.53 127466.024 1651.335
2013 44953.01 50698.38 33714.95 129366.346 1900.322
2014 44916.84 51109.97 33986.85 130013.657 647.3105
2015 43786.85 52053.27 34741.88 130581.999 568.3426
2016 43101.23 53001.87 35741.83 131844.928 1262.929
2017 43397.14 53752.28 36703.97 133853.378 2008.45

Do you see it? Basically although down in a recession, despite all of the renewable energy being produced, we see no real change in the trend. You might be bending it a little, but 2017 is right back in the game.
Don’t believe an old tick bitten Petroleum Engineer? We will go see the Michael Moore (not a friend of the fossil energy business) produced Planet of the Humans, if somebody will pick up the distribution. The movie explains the fallacy in replacing fossil with renewable better than I can. It has only been show at a film festival in Traverse City, MI. (I worked there in the O&G business). Building the renewable economy will require massive fossil inputs. You need a quantum leap in technology for storage or fusion, or acceptance on fission power to get away from fossils.

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Looks like the best argument against fossil fuel was just made with the big explosion in SA disrupting 5% of world supply.

And I hope our young Americans won't again spill their bloods and our treasury squandered for this polluting and harmful to the environment fuel and materials

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

Looks like the best argument against fossil fuel was just made with the big explosion in SA disrupting 5% of world supply.

And I hope our young Americans won't again spill their bloods and our treasury squandered for this polluting and harmful to the environment fuel and materials


I played it safe last night and charged our two EV’s just in case the price of power went up 10 percent this morning. So far so good. [emoticon]

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Reisender wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

Looks like the best argument against fossil fuel was just made with the big explosion in SA disrupting 5% of world supply.

And I hope our young Americans won't again spill their bloods and our treasury squandered for this polluting and harmful to the environment fuel and materials


I played it safe last night and charged our two EV’s just in case the price of power went up 10 percent this morning. So far so good. [emoticon]


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thomas201 wrote:

Fossil fuels converted to terawatt hours. I got this from 1800. Conversion is made so you can add them.
Coal Oil Gas Total Delta
2000 27403.95 43038.62 24019.89 94462.4579 2352.019
2001 27851.05 43421.11 24367.11 95639.2726 1176.815
2002 28936.64 43796.55 25108.13 97841.3214 2202.049
2003 31475.58 44803.21 25769.18 102047.969 4206.648
2004 33656.31 46503.97 26752.17 106912.446 4864.477
2005 36118.95 47115.73 27537.09 110771.764 3859.317
2006 37979.82 47732.2 28347.58 114059.595 3287.831
2007 40143.91 48471.73 29580.25 118195.894 4136.299
2008 40712.54 48250.64 30321.38 119284.563 1088.669
2009 40088.34 47422.37 29477.93 116988.635 -2295.93
2010 41932.75 48949.72 31759.12 122641.59 5652.955
2011 43948.97 49455.27 32410.45 125814.689 3173.1
2012 44129.62 50065.86 33270.53 127466.024 1651.335
2013 44953.01 50698.38 33714.95 129366.346 1900.322
2014 44916.84 51109.97 33986.85 130013.657 647.3105
2015 43786.85 52053.27 34741.88 130581.999 568.3426
2016 43101.23 53001.87 35741.83 131844.928 1262.929
2017 43397.14 53752.28 36703.97 133853.378 2008.45

Do you see it? Basically although down in a recession, despite all of the renewable energy being produced, we see no real change in the trend. You might be bending it a little, but 2017 is right back in the game.
Don’t believe an old tick bitten Petroleum Engineer? We will go see the Michael Moore (not a friend of the fossil energy business) produced Planet of the Humans, if somebody will pick up the distribution. The movie explains the fallacy in replacing fossil with renewable better than I can. It has only been show at a film festival in Traverse City, MI. (I worked there in the O&G business). Building the renewable economy will require massive fossil inputs. You need a quantum leap in technology for storage or fusion, or acceptance on fission power to get away from fossils.
Why not add solar and wind to the data and see what is growing faster?

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