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Boon Docker

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Posted: 09/30/19 10:04am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

"They don't make GEL in the sizes we use in fact they don't much make GEL any more."

Trojan is one of the various brands of gel batteries that are the same size as flooded (24's, 27's, 31's etc).

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Posted: 09/30/19 10:25am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The batteries are obviously wired correctly, since the 12v systems work. You've got something wrong in the converter/charger area.

Start troubleshooting it. Make sure it has 120v. Make sure it outputs 13v. If you have 13v at the charger, check at the battery. Still have 13v?

You just need to isolate the problem, then you can find the issue.


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Posted: 09/30/19 10:44am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

OK ... here's what I've been able to check today, and the results:
CONNECTIONS: The two batteries (which are actually "valve-regulated lead acid", not "gel") are connected properly.

CURRENT CHECKS: With the two batteries disconnected, the DC volt reading is 6.3 on each, so that's OK. With the batteries wired back together, the reading is 12.6, so I think that's OK. With the trailer plugged back into shore power, the output current to the wires at the battery (tho' not yet connected to battery) is about 12 1/2 volts, so that seems normal.

So, maybe my display panel showing battery status is bad. One other thing that has always been the case, and may or may not be related to all of this is this: When I plug the trailer into a GFI protected outlet it trips the GFI breaker...every time. Tried some time ago to troubleshoot that with no success. It always works find at the pedistal at RV parks.

One other thing I "discovered" this morning, quite by accident: The fridge has not worked on propane for some time--no sparking or ignition. Today while I had the batteries disconnected from the trailer, I plugged in the shore power to 120V and heard the fridge sparking, and apparently firing up on propane. But later when I reconnected the batteries and plugged into shore power, no sparking. The fridge problem is not a big deal as it works on 120 and 12V, and we rarely boondock. But this behavior may be related to the electric issues...

Thanks again for the feedback.

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Posted: 09/30/19 11:16am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

smsinville wrote:

CURRENT CHECKS: With the two batteries disconnected, the DC volt reading is 6.3 on each, so that's OK. With the batteries wired back together, the reading is 12.6, so I think that's OK. With the trailer plugged back into shore power, the output current to the wires at the battery (tho' not yet connected to battery) is about 12 1/2 volts, so that seems normal.


Actually I think that's your problem. With no batteries the charger should be putting out at least 13.6 volts. Hook up the batteries and plug in the shore power. You should see at least 13.6 volts at the battery. As far as the output, when you say 12 1/2 volts what is the actual output? Are you seeing 12.5, 12.6 etc? It may not seem like it, but it makes a big difference.


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Posted: 09/30/19 11:37am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If your reading of 12 1/2 volts (converter output) is accurate then converter is not working properly, should be 13+

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Posted: 09/30/19 11:48am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You need to put the voltmeter at the converter's output terminals, or at least at the DC fuse panel lugs where the converter is connected, and look for 13.6 volts. (BTW not "current" it's "volts")

You appear to have a huge voltage drop from the converter to the battery wires by only seeing 12.5 volts or else the converter has an internal fault. If you find 13.6 at the converter, then you know it is ok and now the task is to find the mystery load (loose wire connection, loose fuse in its holder, rusted frame connection, whatever)

The fridge needs "12v" to run on 120v, so the converter is supplying that, even if only 12.5v.

The batteries run the 12v things ok, so the path from them to the DC fuse panel is ok. If the converter does 13.6 then it seems the fault is between the converter and the DC fuse panel. Tighten the set screw lugs where the converter's wires go on the DC fuse panel (might be on the back of the panel for one of them)


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Posted: 09/30/19 01:07pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

IT

IS

CONNECTED

WRONG


One PAIR is in series

The OTHER PAIR is in series

Pair ONE is connected to the gauge

Pair TWO is connected to the charger

Read THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED IN PARALLEL 2+2

Follow a connection diagram. I mean to say does ANYONE out there have a clear connection diagram? My internet connection is too slow.

The OP made a CLASSIC MISTAKE by not by not marking each wire by where is WAS connected at the batteries.

Then reading CLASSIC novice diagnostics advice and posting it for the OP.

Start with the basics not with advice about dilithium crystals phase shifting.

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Posted: 09/30/19 01:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Mex, in the OP he said he has two 6s.

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BFL13 wrote:

Mex, in the OP he said he has two 6s.


Thanks BFL 13

And he claims the batteries are not charging? But the perverter works to maintain hotel loads? Still wired wrong. Do the basics. Verify voltage interior reading at another spot. Preferably at the load center120/12.

I have my doubts because the OPs confusion with gelled electrolyte batteries. Incorrect descriptions can make a bloodhound wanna go home.

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For a GC-2 6.3 Volts is normal resting FULL CHARGE so clearly they are charged.

As others have suggested make sure you have them properly installed. I'm a tad confused if you have two 6 volt in series or 2 pair. You should show 12.6 volts from chassis cable to HOT cable (Ignore the connecting jumper)

Check switches and circuit breakers.


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