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time2roll

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Posted: 10/29/19 10:15am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

All the more reason to have distributed solar and battery systems to reduce transmission lines.
Going to get worse before it gets better.


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The situation in California is the intersection of several seemingly unrelated factors. Denial of fire danger. Poor infrastructure (powerlines, roads). Lack of defensible space. People so concerned about the environment that they refuse to manage forests. Lack of government intervention when it actually is required. The whole culture seems to be breaking down. I would move.

I have actually been lured to California several times by high paying jobs. I never lasted very long and have not lived there in over 40 years. Now you can see why.

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My brother in law is very high up at the DWP in Los Angeles. He told me those tree trimmers only trim the tree back a few inches from the lines. That keeps them employed because they need to be called again next year to trim again.
No offense to you or your BIL, but I highly doubt that. I work for RPU (Riverside Public Utilities), and we have a constant, ongoing tree trimming program that costs us more than $100,000 per month. LADWP's territory is many times larger than Riversides', so they are undoubtedly spending even more. Also, it is State Law that trees are trimmed a minimum of 18" from electric lines.

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Just thinking what was said for a extra 50 million isn't worth it after all the the homes that were burnt the the ground not just a few and over the past 5 years or so really makes little sense IMO that is.
50 million dollars wouldn't underground even a half mile of high voltage transmission lines. Just how many miles of overhead lines do you suppose there are in California? 25,000 miles of transmission lines ($150 million PER MILE) and 160,000 miles of distribution lines ($1 to $3 million PER MILE). Do the math: it would cost over $4 TRILLION to bury all of the electric lines in CA.

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Posted: 10/31/19 06:12pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ArchHoagland wrote:

We keep our coach parked next to the house with a full tank of gas.

If power goes out for a long time I can fire up the generator and run an extension cord to the freezer and refrigerator inside our house.

75 gallons of gas would be good for about a week or so.

In the Loma Prieta earthquake we lived in Salinas and had no power for several days. Discovered you can't buy gas when power is off for days so now my vehicles never get below a half tank and my coach is always full when stored by the house.

Having a free standing generator could be a problem without a lot of gas stored at your home.


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4x4van wrote:

T18skyguy wrote:


My brother in law is very high up at the DWP in Los Angeles. He told me those tree trimmers only trim the tree back a few inches from the lines. That keeps them employed because they need to be called again next year to trim again.
No offense to you or your BIL, but I highly doubt that. I work for RPU (Riverside Public Utilities), and we have a constant, ongoing tree trimming program that costs us more than $100,000 per month. LADWP's territory is many times larger than Riversides', so they are undoubtedly spending even more. Also, it is State Law that trees are trimmed a minimum of 18" from electric lines.

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Just thinking what was said for a extra 50 million isn't worth it after all the the homes that were burnt the the ground not just a few and over the past 5 years or so really makes little sense IMO that is.
50 million dollars wouldn't underground even a half mile of high voltage transmission lines. Just how many miles of overhead lines do you suppose there are in California? 25,000 miles of transmission lines ($150 million PER MILE) and 160,000 miles of distribution lines ($1 to $3 million PER MILE). Do the math: it would cost over $4 TRILLION to bury all of the electric lines in CA.

4x4van, I believe what your saying, but how many laws get ignored, and who goes up to measure to enforce it? At a minimum they need to change it to make it many feet instead of inches, particularly with these winds. If your in management at Riverside, you may know my bil. I've heard him talk of Riverside and people there a number of times.


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4x4van wrote:

Also, it is State Law that trees are trimmed a minimum of 18" from electric lines.


That's a stupid law, only in California could they have something that.

Here they clear cut the entire right of way easement back to a vertical line, at whatever the edge of the easement is. It's a heck of a lot further than a foot and a half. You can have an 80' white pine on your property with half of it in the easement, and they'll trim the entire one side of it off to a nice plumb straight vertical plane so fast your head will spin.


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WVcampground wrote:

4x4van wrote:

Also, it is State Law that trees are trimmed a minimum of 18" from electric lines.


That's a stupid law, only in California could they have something that.

Here they clear cut the entire right of way easement back to a vertical line, at whatever the edge of the easement is. It's a heck of a lot further than a foot and a half. You can have an 80' white pine on your property with half of it in the easement, and they'll trim the entire one side of it off to a nice plumb straight vertical plane so fast your head will spin.


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I was told by an Asplundh tree trimming supervisor the standard used by most power companies is 18 feet, not 18 inches. Asplundh is a line clearance contractor that works for many power companies in the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

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if the state law is 18" and the power company trims to 18'. well. that complies.

But stupid and poorly and even TYPOed laws (note the difference between inches and feet in the opening sentence is the SHIFT key). Abound in every state or government from here to there and back again EVERY government. And for that matter Religions as well. Typos happen. that is a fact.


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The 18 foot standard is for the lower 4,000-36,000 volt distribution lines typically used to feed the transformers that supply residences and businesses. The higher 200,000+ volt distribution lines typically seen on tall steel or aluminum towers have a complex formula for determining the acceptable clearances in compliance with the ANSI standards developed by the North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC).

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