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BenK

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Posted: 11/06/19 07:39am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Nose down...


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JRscooby wrote:

Going back thru the posts I think I spotted what might be the issue


SGS2019 wrote:



I get some push away then pull back in when passing semi trucks.



How fast are you towing?


65-75, depending on wind conditions.

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Note...OEM ratings, specifications, etc are their contract to the buyers/owners...but most do NOT understand that, they are their CYA's (with additional CYA's via the fine print) for the Mr Murphy moments out there (ability to manhandle that moment or not)


ST class tire mostly have speed ratings of a MAX 65 MPH. Some newer ST's do have higher speed ratings...

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Well today took a bit longer than planned, ended up doing two hitch adjustments and then got stuck for 2 hours on the highway in a construction zone during my last test drive.

Here is what I ended up with:
Dropped hitch head 1 slot
6 washers (14k equalizer set up)
Truck tires 51 psi
Trailer tires 65 psi
Front axle 3200 lbs
Rear Axle 3700 lbs
Trailer axles 5920 lbs

Unloaded truck values
Front axle 3180 lbs
Rear axle 2780 lbs

Previous hitch setup
Front axle 3040 lbs
Rear axle 3900 lbs
Trailer axles 5840 lbs

Truck gvwr 7000 lbs
Rear Gawr 4050 lbs
Front gawr 3600 lbs

I didn’t get a lot of highway towing in and there was little wind so I will do some more testing on a windy day, but it did feel better and more stable today.

Can I get some feedback on my weights?

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Posted: 11/06/19 04:02pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The weights look good.


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Posted: 11/06/19 04:31pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Weights look good to me. Hope this works out for you.
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Everything is going in the right direction

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mkirsch wrote:

I still don't know what your problem *IS* to even make a recommendation. "Tows poorly" is meaningless, and you *are* driving scared even if you don't think so. It's subconscious. You mentioned the accident and how it affected you.

I would gladly make a recommendation, if only there was even a halfway concise description of a problem.

Too much tongue weight isn't your problem, and trying to reduce it with ballast... You'll have over 2000lbs in the back of your trailer before you see an appreciable change in tongue weight. The axles are simply too far back for that to work.


I still think his problem is that he is running "P" tires on his truck as I mentioned on page one. Needs to put at least LT tires on the truck. "P" tires have too much sidewall flex especially when towing.

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mkirsch wrote:

I still don't know what your problem *IS* to even make a recommendation. "Tows poorly" is meaningless, and you *are* driving scared even if you don't think so. It's subconscious. You mentioned the accident and how it affected you.

I would gladly make a recommendation, if only there was even a halfway concise description of a problem.

Too much tongue weight isn't your problem, and trying to reduce it with ballast... You'll have over 2000lbs in the back of your trailer before you see an appreciable change in tongue weight. The axles are simply too far back for that to work.


I still think his problem is that he is running "P" tires on his truck as I mentioned on page one. Needs to put at least LT tires on the truck.


I tell you what, I filled my P tires to max and I could tell the difference. It seems like a pretty decent tire as well, has 2 ply in the sidewall. Hankook dynapro at-m, 275/55/20.

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SGS2019 wrote:

George3037 wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

I still don't know what your problem *IS* to even make a recommendation. "Tows poorly" is meaningless, and you *are* driving scared even if you don't think so. It's subconscious. You mentioned the accident and how it affected you.

I would gladly make a recommendation, if only there was even a halfway concise description of a problem.

Too much tongue weight isn't your problem, and trying to reduce it with ballast... You'll have over 2000lbs in the back of your trailer before you see an appreciable change in tongue weight. The axles are simply too far back for that to work.


I still think his problem is that he is running "P" tires on his truck as I mentioned on page one. Needs to put at least LT tires on the truck.


I tell you what, I filled my P tires to max and I could tell the difference. It seems like a pretty decent tire as well, has 2 ply in the sidewall. Hankook dynapro at-m, 275/55/20.


You have found your problem, or at least the biggest problem. Load range E tires are a ten ply rating, they are much stiffer than a P tire.


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