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Posted: 11/04/19 04:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SidecarFlip wrote:




Toyota needs to build a 'big truck' now. They could literally 'mop the floor' with a 3/4 or 1 ton entry.


Toyota 'toyed' with the idea 8 or so years ago, to the point of building a concept HD pickup powered by a Hino diesel engine, but didn't go through with it. Don't know why, perhaps because they have a very small part of the half ton market?

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GM paved the way for this agreement and FCA will be forced to follow suit as well or the union will go on strike.

And you can put me in the category that knows unions need to go away. All unions!


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Not all UAW workers get the big pay and benefits. I retired about 2 1/2 years ago from a supplier and we were UAW. I would bet money that when wages and benefits were totaled up that we didn't make half of what the big 3 do and that would be before their last contract. The UAW puts the big 3 in the spotlight to make them look good and they don't care what most of the suppliers make. They just wanted our money and we got very little in return.

The last contract negotiations that I went through were a joke. They would shift things around a little and offer us the same contract over and over. That happened several times and then the last one that passed the local president wrote a threatening letter about what would happen if we didn't take this offer. The company hired quite a few people right before the last vote and offered a sign on bonus and it passed. The new workers weren't officially in the union but they were allowed to vote.

The local said that they had to make us vote on every proposal which is a lie. UAW international didn't back us at all and even though most of us wanted to strike (up to the president's threatening letter) we weren't allowed to. The local and UAW international is in the pocket of the company that I worked for.

Screw the UAW and the horse that they rode in on!

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Once again the UAW forces the big two plus FCA into being the high cost producers of commodity products. This will turn out badly for the workers in the long run.


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I have spoken with many people about this. Almost every one of them said that they think the UAW is getting too greedy especially asking for benefits that most others do not get or have to pay for themselves. Most also felt that this greed was a large reason why we (the taxpayers) had to bail out these companies not to long ago. All of this on top of the current corruption scandals in the UAW's top executives are not helping their cause. They may have won this battle, but it appears they are loosing the war in the eyes of most people in my region because most are starting to view them unfavorably where they didn't just a few years ago.


Ford did not take the bail out. They had already done what they had to do to avoid it. GM who went bankrupt after wards, and Chrysler who was sold to Fiat, took the bailout.

I will never forget what the Ford CEO told the Congressional committee when they ask if he would work for a dollar ay year if they gave them the money. He said "No, I'm good". GM, and Chrysler CEOs on the other hand said, YES PLEASE.


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danrclem wrote:

Not all UAW workers get the big pay and benefits. I retired about 2 1/2 years ago from a supplier and we were UAW. I would bet money that when wages and benefits were totaled up that we didn't make half of what the big 3 do and that would be before their last contract. The UAW puts the big 3 in the spotlight to make them look good and they don't care what most of the suppliers make. They just wanted our money and we got very little in return.

The last contract negotiations that I went through were a joke. They would shift things around a little and offer us the same contract over and over. That happened several times and then the last one that passed the local president wrote a threatening letter about what would happen if we didn't take this offer. The company hired quite a few people right before the last vote and offered a sign on bonus and it passed. The new workers weren't officially in the union but they were allowed to vote.

The local said that they had to make us vote on every proposal which is a lie. UAW international didn't back us at all and even though most of us wanted to strike (up to the president's threatening letter) we weren't allowed to. The local and UAW international is in the pocket of the company that I worked for.

Screw the UAW and the horse that they rode in on!


I used to work for a large and diverse company with quite a few plants in the U.S., some of which were unionized. They took pride in the fact that their union contracts were worth less than the pay packages for the non-union plants. I believe that it was illegal for them to come out and say it but if the workforce voted in a union they not only got to pay union dues but had to do it with less income. The companies are required to negotiate in good faith but when negotiations start the current pay package goes out the window and the union has to fight for every penny and the starting point is zero dollars. But, when you listened to organizers you got the impression that they always got the hourly people at least a 50% raise.

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there was a time unions were needed but now they just rip the companies off ,

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and there pricing the buyers right out of the market, I drive a 2005 truck ,won,t buy a new one because of price.

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UAW leaders need to think longterm, not short term. But so do their members.


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Terryallan wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

I have spoken with many people about this. Almost every one of them said that they think the UAW is getting too greedy especially asking for benefits that most others do not get or have to pay for themselves. Most also felt that this greed was a large reason why we (the taxpayers) had to bail out these companies not to long ago. All of this on top of the current corruption scandals in the UAW's top executives are not helping their cause. They may have won this battle, but it appears they are loosing the war in the eyes of most people in my region because most are starting to view them unfavorably where they didn't just a few years ago.


Ford did not take the bail out. They had already done what they had to do to avoid it. GM who went bankrupt after wards, and Chrysler who was sold to Fiat, took the bailout.

I will never forget what the Ford CEO told the Congressional committee when they ask if he would work for a dollar ay year if they gave them the money. He said "No, I'm good". GM, and Chrysler CEOs on the other hand said, YES PLEASE.


I don't think I mention Ford once in my post. Someone is a little testy. Ford was actually in good standing during this crisis for various reasons and one of them was because they were awarded the $6 billion dollar loan from the Department of Energy in September of 2009. Because they knew they were going to receive this other government loan, they did not need to take part of the bailout loan. Without this Energy Department loan, I believe they would have probably needed to taken the bailout loan.

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