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colliehauler

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Posted: 11/15/19 04:33am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Why do they call them SUV'S when then vast majority of them are glorified station wagons? To me a SUV is a truck based full frame vehicle. Got to love marketing.

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colliehauler wrote:

Why do they call them SUV'S when then vast majority of them are glorified station wagons? To me a SUV is a truck based full frame vehicle. Got to love marketing.
Do they even make stationwagons anymore?
My family had a few of them back in the day. They all had full frames, and some were pretty capable as TVs.

I do agree with the point though. It seems that they are all moving to unibody construction, and over all less capable performance... But that does seem to be what the public is buying.



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Ill stick with our Honda Odyssey. So much easier to get in and out of, huge amount of cargo room, smooth and lots of power. Don't need to tow with it as we have a dually for that. Cheaper to insure as well and reliable.

My wife drives a 2015 Dodge Durango and loves it. It has the V6 and rear wheel drive, which is the main we was on we purchased it. Her only complaint is not enough room inside compared to my Odyssey.

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I agree SUV's are not SUV's. My wife has a 2016 Subaru Outback...it's called a "wagon" in marketing lit, and the title says "wagon". I have made a few friends unhappy calling their SUV a "wagon" or "minivan". Yes, i do it for the friction and discussion afterwards.

Anyway, point I'm making is I too miss the old wagons that could pull a small trailer. A great pic I have from 1981, when I was a 9 year old lad, is my dad hooking up our 1972 Buick Electra 225, full frame and 455 cubic inch 4 door family car, to our Shasta 29 foot bunkhouse TT (no slide outs!). We had many a family trips in that set up. Don't ask me weights, because I have no idea. But it did have weight distribution set up.


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Stupid Useless Vehicle.

Station wagon for small trailer? A Vista Cruiser could tow most travel trailers available. And remember back then most pickups got crowded with 3 people.

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I doubt there is any agreement on what defines an SUV. GM still makes truck framed SUV (Tahoe, Blazer, Suburban) and they have their niche. I think many that had one (including me) got away from them because of their lumbering ride, poor fuel mileage and high step in....all traits we over look if we wanted to tow something with those SUVs. The majority of the SUV buyers doesn't want that. They want a smooth ride with descent fuel economy they can haul the family around in. I don't believe marketing is responsible for the decline of the full-framed SUV, it's consumer demand. Personally, I'd rather have a truck bed than the 3rd row of seating when it comes to a TV.

Huntindog, yes VW, Volvo, BMW, Porche, Buick and Subaru make station wagons thought I use that term loosely.


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I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is. I don't think my sister's Expedition is any more of a real SUV than my wife's Pilot. It's body on frame and RWD biased versus unibody and FWD biased, but they drive pretty much the same, both have independent suspensions on both ends as well as limited ground clearance and poor approach/departure angles (I'd guess the Expedition is worse in that regard). Neither is going to get very far off-road with much success but both can handle reasonably poor forest service roads fairly well and snow/ice very well. The Expedition can tow a little more than the Pilot but both are a joke compared to my truck in that regard. Towing aside, they're both well suited as family vehicles in the Northwest where we live. Subarus are extremely popular in this part of the country too, with good reason.


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If you parked all the "SUV'S" side by side, then looked at them from the side, they all have the same body shape!! At least I think so. I'd like to upgrade the DW into a SUV, but wan t one that is RWD and wheel drive. However, in saying that, we currently have a VW Passat which she loves and I'd like to go into the VW Atlas as we've been very pleased w/ the 2 VW's we've had. Comes in either FWD or AWD. Don't want AWD. She asked me the other day if any SUV's are hybrids to which I have no clue. Are there?


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Posted: 11/15/19 08:24am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

colliehauler wrote:

Why do they call them SUV'S when then vast majority of them are glorified station wagons? To me a SUV is a truck based full frame vehicle. Got to love marketing.


If you think about it, the original SUVs were the ones that were a marketing gimmick. Automakers took unrefined, harsh riding, poor handling pickup trucks, made the truck bed part of the cabin, added some bling and sold them at a hefty profit.

Since then, consumer tastes and the industry have evolved considerably. There must be a good reason why automakers are stopping production of cars and adding more SUVs to their offerings. Most SUV buyers today prefer having a vehicle that handles and feels more like a car than a truck.

I own a current-generation 4X4 Jeep Grand Cherokee and it's like night and day compared to the old SUVs. We are currently looking to replace the wife's smaller SUV with a new one and ride quality and road manners are of paramount importance.





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Iraqvet05 wrote:

I doubt there is any agreement on what defines an SUV. GM still makes truck framed SUV (Tahoe, Blazer, Suburban) and they have their niche. I think many that had one (including me) got away from them because of their lumbering ride, poor fuel mileage and high step in....all traits we over look if we wanted to tow something with those SUVs.


Huh?
I just picked up an old Tahoe, 01 model, for a winter beater car.
Lumbering ride? Nope, rides like a Caddy, too soft for my liking actually, but it is a plush ride, no argument there.
Poor mileage? Yeah, but not compared to anything else that size. With a 4speed and 3.73s it does 14-15mpg compared to my 2017 1500 Silverado work truck that does 15-17mpg same conditions with 15 years more tech advancements to the drivetrain.
High step in? It's (as are most) a low slung mall crawler with full running boards from the factory. Any lower and you're stepping down into it like a sedan.

Save for the old 3/4ton SUVs that went the way of the dinosaurs about 10 years ago, I haven't seen one that isn't a plush car like ride.
Isn't that what the other geezers complain about, suvs are too cushy to tow heavy?


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