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Papa Steve

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Posted: 11/18/19 10:25am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

CA Traveler wrote:

Watch the uTube video Seattle is Dying for a larger perspective of the problem which includes RVs.


Thanks for posting this. I just watched it and now think we should try the Rhode Island approach, enforcement and intervention, in some of the larger cities. good documentary


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Matt_Colie wrote:

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Prices have always increased on homes in the long run. Supply and demand. A lot of homes in small towns with lack of jobs can be bought dirt cheap. For a retired person who does not depend on employment this can be a good deal. There are several list of states and towns that are the best places to retire along with the most expensive places to retire. Illegal immigrants compound the housing issue but certain people choose not to address the issue. Until these people are voted out I don't see things changing.

I don't know where you live, but we have been buying this house from the bank for 28 years. We bought when the market was pretty stable, but then came the depression that the prior administration built a fire under. (Anybody that has looked at the county's history would know that the same things that were done by FDR that extended that depression for an additional three (maybe more) years is what was done again.)
Today, I could sell out home and not get back what we paid for it in cash value (not even thinking about the interest over near 30 years). Everybody wants a piece of the rich old people that only worked hard for years to live so "easily" now.
If you perchance think I may be a little bitter, that just means that you are observant.
Matt where I live is next to my name. While my home has increased in value with the improvements I've made I would break even, if you add in the Banks interest rate would probably be upside down. I have lived her for 33 years so if I paid rent I think It would have been a lot more in housing cost. Sorry you got a raw deal.

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Near us, there was a huge homeless encampment of 700 people in a 3 mile stretch. Only 11% of those people said they wanted help. 58% were drug users, and the rest were mentally ill. Most didn't want shelters because of the rules: wake up, eat, go to bed, all at specific times. And of course, no drugs.
I live in Southern California, so I know how expensive big cities can be. I don't think we should be building shelters in places where real estate costs so much.

Maybe we should build a tent city in the desert and provide free food, water, porta-potties, showers, and even drugs. Bus the people there that don't want to do anything except get high. Has to be cheaper than building new shelters, or even cleaning up encampments. BTW, Los Angeles spent $36,000,000 this year just cleaning up places only to have the homeless move back within an hour.

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The Seattle Is Dying professional video Click is informative and worth watching. It gives a lot of insight into the problem and a significant solution by one state. It’s long and makes the case that the root problem is drugs followed by lack of solutions.

My SIL works in Seattle and the video is factual. My son recently visited San Francisco with an even worst problem. He was in a tourist area kicking needles off the sidewalk so his kids would not step on them. He won’t go back.

This video is well worth the time to watch IMHO.


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Many more of the younger generation are getting discouraged due to the huge increases in housing prices. They can buy a rv, and live much cheaper than trying to pay their whole lives for a house. They are not homeless, they just don't have a house. I think this is one of the main reasons rv parks are getting so full. The other is the amount of baby boomers who are selling their big house, and downsizing into something mobile so they can follow the weather. There is no shortage of YouTube channels of rvers, young and old, trying to hit the road. I don't think all of them are making a living off YouTube. Perhaps some of them are, but there are literally thousands of them. Half of them are living in vans on the street, trying to make it look like an appealing lifestyle. These kids are going to have nothing when they get old. They are contributing nothing to their own future, and a lot of them are dragging kids around as well. This is a very unstable lifestyle to raise children. They will grow up never having a real friend, or a real place to call home.

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Well, if that is the case, then why did the prior administration use the abrogation of the bankruptcy laws to take away 28 years of crimping, saving with no big toys and no real vacations? In short, they destroyed those personal resources and I was not alone. But as a guy that got a lot of education and worked up to a nice position, I guess I was "RICH" and due to be fleeced.


It might of happened to you at that time, but this is not a case of "the black guy did it" Going back decades the bankruptcy courts have been screwing people that work for money in favor of people who's money works for them. And the major mess of my lifetime, and the bailouts to solve the problem where under way before Jan 2009.

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covered wagon wrote:

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SS was never intended to provide a living pension. Just a supplement to personal resources.

Going to get much worse before it improves.


Free food and free living makes for lazy folks with idle time for doing things they should not be doing. Be good if they required regular community service in order to earn the right for those benefits.

What did he say? free? lazy? earn? benefits?

FYI, I worked for over 40 years and those "benefits" were stolen from my paycheck under federal law supported by the people of this country. The total of what I and my employer "for I" paid into Social Security is around a half million dollars without interest added. If the government writes me a check for that amount plus interest then they can cancel the program and I'll take care of myself.

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Watched the video. Horrific. This is spreading like wildfire across our Nation.

I am concerned about diseases, virus, plague if this is not addressed.

That is why I say no more immigration from anywhere. We have our own backyard to clean up. Stop adding millions more to the problem. We cannot afford to live here and we cannot continue to pay their bills too.

Many people "choose" this lifestyle. We do not "choose" to be subject to it. Nor should we tolerate it. These elected officials are not doing their job to stop this nor are the Judges who let them out.

We have plenty of Federal Land in NV, NM, and all over. Set up Federal Tent Cities, keep costs down, set up Rehab there. They have to WORK and be given chores to earn their treatment and expenses. They have to complete on-line courses. Keep them busy. No free ride.

Taxpayers are sick and tired of paying for all these free programs out of our paychecks.

The violent criminals...put in Seperate Tent Cities. Our jails and prisons are overcrowded, many are because of all the foreigners coming here. They cost us a fortune.

Short of putting them on Leper Island to get them out of our misery and theirs, Federal Tent City makes the most sense. No amenities and no Club Med!

As far as the ones who need to "Get on Their Feet", start a pilot program "Get on Your Feet". Build the Studio Containers on abandoned lots on bus lines. They can live in the Container for 12 months, have to work 2 hours every week to maintain the property. Have to work and have half their pay put in Escrow for when the 12 months is up. No more babies, mandatory birth control. They have to move on after 12 months. No more lifetime of generations of poverty living off the backs of taxpayers.

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IMHO, we can go a long way in solving the affordable housing problem by taking care of ourselves first. I'm not talking about isolationism, just prioritizing where we spend tax dollars.

It's not just tax dollars either. Celebs walk by Americans living on the street on their way to shoot a commercial to jerk our tears with pictures of deformed poor kids in some other country. Or the people who won't give a street person a few bucks on their way to stand in line overnight to spend $700 on a frickin' phone.

We can't solve it all, but we can at least help those who are down on their luck with a leg up. I had one as a young person and it made the world of difference to me.


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Matt_Colie wrote:

colliehauler wrote:

Prices have always increased on homes in the long run. Supply and demand. A lot of homes in small towns with lack of jobs can be bought dirt cheap. For a retired person who does not depend on employment this can be a good deal. There are several list of states and towns that are the best places to retire along with the most expensive places to retire. Illegal immigrants compound the housing issue but certain people choose not to address the issue. Until these people are voted out I don't see things changing.

I don't know where you live, but we have been buying this house from the bank for 28 years. We bought when the market was pretty stable, but then came the depression that the prior administration built a fire under. (Anybody that has looked at the county's history would know that the same things that were done by FDR that extended that depression for an additional three (maybe more) years is what was done again.)
Today, I could sell out home and not get back what we paid for it in cash value (not even thinking about the interest over near 30 years). Everybody wants a piece of the rich old people that only worked hard for years to live so "easily" now.
If you perchance think I may be a little bitter, that just means that you are observant.
There is virtually no way a home you purchased 28 years ago has not appreciated in value provided you have done reasonable maintenance. I just don't believe you have your facts correct.

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There is virtually no way a home you purchased 28 years ago has not appreciated in value provided you have done reasonable maintenance. I just don't believe you have your facts correct.


In general, you're correct. Buy a home, it's an investment, right?
BUT there are plenty of areas in this country that home and property values have been steadily decreasing for many years now.
Not talking ups u downs of the economy, talking steady decline.
One area I'm very familiar with and has not been financially prosperous for us, or the folks that live there is Northern WI.
I built a house there, nice custom log home, 2600sf + walkout unfinished basement on 2+ acres, on a lake close to town, power/phone/cable, paved road.
Cost of building the house was right at $200k labor, materials and subs. Cost to build it with fee/markup would have been about $240k.
House was completed exactly 19 years ago.
The next year it was assessed for $335k!! Woohoo, great, right?
Well that was BS. It steadily declined from there. About 5 years ago the tax assessment was down to about $290k. Still BS. Finally got the township to drop it to $225k but it took some serious work, badgering, applications, providing sales data, etc. I did this all because noone would buy it with such a high tax value.
Finally sold it a couple years ago. Took over a year to sell, got about $200k. $197k to be exact because the buyers knew it was them or noone, so they low balled, then re-nigged, then walked away, then came back etc until they squeezed everything out they could.

Oh, and it was well maintained, highest quality building materials, 40yr shingles, well kept wood work, top $ wood windows, R32/R50 insulation, 200A service. Only thing it lacked was fancy landscaping and a paved driveway.

Matt Colie, sounds like he got hosed by the UAW and the economy in SE Michigan. Not unlike other areas WV, AR, upper midwest, where thriving industry died and those that didn't leave die with it.

If we'd stayed in N WI 19 years ago, we'd be alive, we'd probably be debt free similar to now, but our net worth would be about 20% of what it is currently. Seriously.
Beautiful place to live if you're retired, already have money or don't want to have money....


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