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Posted: 12/02/19 03:29pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Grit dog wrote:

ticki2 wrote:

That is exactly what a weight distributing hitch does . If you put a MC on the front or the rear you don't think it would change the axle loads . No it doesn't change the COG of the TC but it does change the COG of the complete rig .


OMG, WTH is a MC? ISL WATA......

(I'm so lost with all these acronyms....lol. FWIW, in order for an acronym to make sense, it either needs to be one that is already known, or identify it properly "motor cycle (MC)" and so on.)


I presume you were referring to mounting a motorcycle on a bike rack front or back of the camper and not a Muenster cheese?


Micro camper... duh.

I'm surprised Kayteg1 hasn't chimed in. He usually has lots of input and opinions that would just stop all this nonsense and settle the issue....

So what happened to the OP (Original Poster)? you still there buddy? Lots of effort here on your behalf. Chime in, you can get to your therapy session later (after reading all this...it would be a good place to be).


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Posted: 12/02/19 07:00pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Grit dog wrote:

ticki2 wrote:

That is exactly what a weight distributing hitch does . If you put a MC on the front or the rear you don't think it would change the axle loads . No it doesn't change the COG of the TC but it does change the COG of the complete rig .


OMG, WTH is a MC? ISL WATA......

(I'm so lost with all these acronyms....lol. FWIW, in order for an acronym to make sense, it either needs to be one that is already known, or identify it properly "motor cycle (MC)" and so on.)


I presume you were referring to mounting a motorcycle on a bike rack front or back of the camper and not a Muenster cheese?
sorry to have lost you with MC . FWIW ( for what it's worth ) , OMG ,WTH,MC,ISL and FWIW are all initialisms not acronyms . An acronym forms a pronounceable word .


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Posted: 12/02/19 10:53pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ticki2 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

ticki2 wrote:

That is exactly what a weight distributing hitch does . If you put a MC on the front or the rear you don't think it would change the axle loads . No it doesn't change the COG of the TC but it does change the COG of the complete rig .


OMG, WTH is a MC? ISL WATA......

(I'm so lost with all these acronyms....lol. FWIW, in order for an acronym to make sense, it either needs to be one that is already known, or identify it properly "motor cycle (MC)" and so on.)


I presume you were referring to mounting a motorcycle on a bike rack front or back of the camper and not a Muenster cheese?
sorry to have lost you with MC . FWIW ( for what it's worth ) , OMG ,WTH,MC,ISL and FWIW are all initialisms not acronyms . An acronym forms a pronounceable word .


Ha.. well played, schooled again. Had to look it up just to clarify.

NASA and NATO would be two examples of 'acronyms' we all know well. Used those just to clarify the difference for me.

See, the interweb can learn you!

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Posted: 12/03/19 12:07am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

jimh425 wrote:

COG is still not a thing. No modern camper manufacturer would design a TC where that would be a problem. Sure, you can put a TC made for a long bed on a short one to make COG off, but otherwise, it’s not even worth a consideration.

Based on that line of fake numbers, there would be less weight on the rear if the COG is in front of the rear axle. So, all we’d need to do is put a few heavy objects in the front of the rear axle and we could transfer 10% of the weight to the front axle.. Why stop there, just put a few more items in the front and put 20% on the front axle.

Seriously?


If you are talking about empty camper direct from the manufacture (built exactly to spec), there is a bit of truth.

But manufacturers don't load the camper, so yes, the COG for the loaded camper can and does shift in real life.

And yes, if the COG is in front of the axle, yes, less of the camper weight goes on the rear axle (note the original comment said 80-110%)...usually it will be pretty close to 100% of the camper weight on the rear axle but again, depends on where the COG for the fully loaded camper sits.

10% of the camper weight off the front axle...you likely will never know the difference as there is still plenty of weight on the front axle for it to perform it's functions.


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Valhalla360. think about this ... manufacturers that bother to list COG, list the COG as a number. Got any idea why they don’t just give a range to match what you say changes?

I’ll help. It’s because it’s a static measurement. No, it doesn’t change just like the weight/height/width don’t. It’s ok to be wrong, and in this case, you are.

If you want to talk about the weight on front axle and weight on rear axle, do that. Just don’t confuse COG with those numbers which will never be known until you stale the truck/TC.


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The center of gravity is the point where the camper should balance if you supported it on a single horizontal pole, running left-to-right.
That absolutely does change when filling water tanks, adding batteries, cargo, etc.
The original, empty camper COG stays the same but the real-world effective COG the truck actually sees changes from the factory spec.


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burningman, I mentioned that the distribution of weight on the front and rear axles can change. That can be measured by going to a scale that records weight by axle.

How do you measure effective COG?

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Posted: 12/03/19 11:01am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The center of gravity on my camper is somewhere between the road, the top of my AC unit cover and my two bumpers.

Has anyone figured out weight capacity of the OP's truck yet?


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jimh425 wrote:

burningman, I mentioned that the distribution of weight on the front and rear axles can change. That can be measured by going to a scale that records weight by axle.

How do you measure effective COG?


You don't measure it, unless you do it how burning man said and actually balance beam the camper, but you can calculate it easily with loaded and unloaded axle weights then measure what you calculated from either support (axle).


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jimh425 wrote:

burningman, I mentioned that the distribution of weight on the front and rear axles can change. That can be measured by going to a scale that records weight by axle.

How do you measure effective COG?

If your front axle gains weight, your CG is good. If it loses weight, it is behind your rear axle.


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