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agesilaus wrote:

If you want to talk about not going to happen, you should think about the 'electric car' revolution. Barring some major technological development in energy storage the electric vehicles will never become the major segment of the transport mix. Not possible, not enough lithium, not enough electrical generation capacity and not enough electrical transmission capacity. It might cost trillions to rewire the country for 100% electrical vehicles. And the only possible current source of generation that could do it is nuke, if you insist that a minor gas be controlled.


Heh heh. You might want to do a little research. Especially on that electrical generation capacity thing. The utility companies don’t seem to see things the same as you do.

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agesilaus wrote:

If you want to talk about not going to happen, you should think about the 'electric car' revolution. Barring some major technological development in energy storage the electric vehicles will never become the major segment of the transport mix. Not possible, not enough lithium, not enough electrical generation capacity and not enough electrical transmission capacity. It might cost trillions to rewire the country for 100% electrical vehicles. And the only possible current source of generation that could do it is nuke, if you insist that a minor gas be controlled.
Buggy manufacturers said the same thing for years with strong industry growth even as automobiles were small and growing.

And don't worry the first diesel train engines were relegated to the switch yard as they did not have the range or strength to pull freight between cities.

History would seem to be repeating itself one more time. Either way it will be interesting to watch how this unfolds over the next couple decades.


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Buggy manufacturers did not have physics and engineering on their side. Just because some self serving idiot says something doesn't mean it's worth quoting. Assuming they actually said that.


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time2roll wrote:

agesilaus wrote:

If you want to talk about not going to happen, you should think about the 'electric car' revolution. Barring some major technological development in energy storage the electric vehicles will never become the major segment of the transport mix. Not possible, not enough lithium, not enough electrical generation capacity and not enough electrical transmission capacity. It might cost trillions to rewire the country for 100% electrical vehicles. And the only possible current source of generation that could do it is nuke, if you insist that a minor gas be controlled.
Buggy manufacturers said the same thing for years with strong industry growth even as automobiles were small and growing.

And don't worry the first diesel train engines were relegated to the switch yard as they did not have the range or strength to pull freight between cities.

History would seem to be repeating itself one more time. Either way it will be interesting to watch how this unfolds over the next couple decades.


The problem with your theory of buggy manufacturers and diesel trains is, electric cars have been around for over 100 years. There's been mass produced electric cars on and off for all those years. How come they still aren't the "go to" form of propulsion after 100 years of refinement?


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The problem with your theory of buggy manufacturers and diesel trains is, electric cars have been around for over 100 years. There's been mass produced electric cars on and off for all those years. How come they still aren't the "go to" form of propulsion after 100 years of refinement?
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Good point! I wonder if Tesla fanboys also use Unix. The arguments are the same.

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OK there are roughly 50,000 miles of interstate. I'm sure you'd want to add in all those miles of state thruways and such so lets call the total 70,000 miles. These are all multi-lane so let make a guess and call them 6 lanes, 3 each way, on average. Those will be more expensive to electrify so lets call that $1,000,000 a mile which works out to $70,000,000,000. Who is going to pay for that? I vote electric car owners should foot the bill. Plus the O&M costs.
Not going to happen ever.

But really do you think the first 1% would pay for all infrastructure and then the remaining 99% just come along and enjoy the ride.


You mean like the EV owners are doing right now?

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I'm sure you all remember nicad batteries. They were a huge step up. But they had some serious flaws, particularly the "memory effect". Unless they were discharged all the way each time--and then fully recharged. Then came nickel metal hydride, a step up--but dendrites remained a problem, solution--charge slowly as you can stand. Now we are at LI. About their only problem is still the dreaded dendrites. As far as I can understand (I may be wrong), that is why they can't be recharged at low temperatures.

The latest LI technology has a "solid" electrolyte. Dendrites may not be an issue any longer.

There are also room temperature sodium batteries with a similar solid state electrolyte.

These last 2 have about 2.5 times the watt-hour capacity of current LI jars.


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Norway who in March had 58% of new car sales are EV is planning of curb wireless charging.

European countries, unlike us, don't see EV vehicles as political, tree-hugger socialist plot. Just that's economical, practical and environmentally sensible.

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agesilaus wrote:

The problem with your theory of buggy manufacturers and diesel trains is, electric cars have been around for over 100 years. There's been mass produced electric cars on and off for all those years. How come they still aren't the "go to" form of propulsion after 100 years of refinement?
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Good point! I wonder if Tesla fanboys also use Unix. The arguments are the same.

Ad hominem fallacy and non sequitor.

I dont remember seeing or being able to buy any good EV in the past,
not until Tesla built it

And everyone driving one will tell you theyll never go back to fosil fuels its just that much better and I have no doubt more EVs are coming

For mass transport Electric is the best most eficient mover,
thats why countries w no natural resources aka oil have been relying on for half a century now with great success
https://youtu.be/5SNlG_2sFXc

Tokyo underground and subways
https://youtu.be/9_3rtS93ilc

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free radical wrote:

agesilaus wrote:

The problem with your theory of buggy manufacturers and diesel trains is, electric cars have been around for over 100 years. There's been mass produced electric cars on and off for all those years. How come they still aren't the "go to" form of propulsion after 100 years of refinement?
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Good point! I wonder if Tesla fanboys also use Unix. The arguments are the same.

Ad hominem fallacy and non sequitor.

I dont remember seeing or being able to buy any good EV in the past,
not until Tesla built it

And everyone driving one will tell you theyll never go back to fosil fuels its just that much better and I have no doubt more EVs are coming

For mass transport Electric is the best most eficient mover,
thats why countries w no natural resources aka oil have been relying on for half a century now with great success
https://youtu.be/5SNlG_2sFXc

Tokyo underground and subways
https://youtu.be/9_3rtS93ilc


Apples and oranges comparing Electric Cars with Subways or Electric trains. You do see the wires over the trains right? It's great that EV's work for some people. Again they HAVE been around for 100 years and have come and go. Always because of their short comings.

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