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jplante4

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westernrvparkowner wrote:

I can make a case for "duty and honor" in almost all professions. Heck, the guy who drives the trash truck fulfills a duty of keeping our cities and towns free of garbage.


And if there was an explosive hidden under one of the streets this guy was collecting garbage on, then this would be a reasonable comparison.


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wa8yxm wrote:

I can not say nice things about our current government. I've not heard that purposeful but I do not doubt it.

When My wife and I Visited Grand Canyon the very nice person told us about the pass $10 bucks and we got in free. would have cost more just to drive in without the pass so we saved money at the get-go.

When my wife (Who was a tad older than I) died I qualified for my own pass so I walked into the park office, handed the worker 10 bucks and my driver's license and she handed me a pass (And returned the DL) I'm told our legislators decided to up the price to what 80 bucks now.

And now they want to restrict the use......

I agree, we paid full price for most of our lives. Then they give us a break, then they take it away. It SUCKS I don't care who you think is MAGA!

There are two things we can do about it. .Write/Call/Contact our legislators and explain our Pleasure over this added cost.

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olfarmer wrote:

I think it stinks, they just keep taking away more things we have paid for! You an not believe anything that the government promises!

Mine was free when I got it 20 years ago. The rationale at the time was that many senior citizens were on lower fixed incomes and this was a to help them visit our National Parks. Perhaps a fairer method using IRS data could be used, but there is also an additional clerical cost with this. Usually such differences in opinion comes down to "whose ox is being gored".

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I'm a veteran. I never took anything from our government. Didn't use the GI Bill or a VA loan. I couldn't get into the VA. So now I get a discount on camping and free entrance into National Parks. How about our government stop spending billions on illegals. How about congress cut their own pay and benefits? How about cutting back on welfare? Those of us who worked our butts off,stayed out of troubleand served our country deserve a break.

Thank You for your service. I too am a Veteran. IMO, the only Vets who "deserve a break" are the draftees, the rest of us "volunteered".
Us volunteers deserve it even more.We weren't forced to go. Having said that, we all served and we all sacrificed, some more than others.

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westernrvparkowner wrote:

jdb7566 wrote:

RGar974417 wrote:

I'm a veteran. I never took anything from our government. Didn't use the GI Bill or a VA loan. I couldn't get into the VA. So now I get a discount on camping and free entrance into National Parks. How about our government stop spending billions on illegals. How about congress cut their own pay and benefits? How about cutting back on welfare? Those of us who worked our butts off,stayed out of troubleand served our country deserve a break.

Thank You for your service. I too am a Veteran. IMO, the only Vets who "deserve a break" are the draftees, the rest of us "volunteered".
You are sure touching the third rail here, and I agree. Joining the military today is a voluntary choice, no matter what the motivation. Yes, many join because of a sense of duty, honor etc., but others join for a job. Remember the old recruitment campaigns of "see the world" and "learn a Skill"? Not much appeal to honor and duty in that.
I can make a case for "duty and honor" in almost all professions. Heck, the guy who drives the trash truck fulfills a duty of keeping our cities and towns free of garbage. When I am unclogging a sewer line in the park I am honoring a solemn commitment to provide my guests with the best vacation accommodations I can. I respect the job everyone does, not just the job of those in the military.


The other third rail for veterans now is the combat versus non-combat veteran. I've seen a few facebook sh*tstorms in veterans forums about the combat versus non veteran.

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jplante4 wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

I can make a case for "duty and honor" in almost all professions. Heck, the guy who drives the trash truck fulfills a duty of keeping our cities and towns free of garbage.


And if there was an explosive hidden under one of the streets this guy was collecting garbage on, then this would be a reasonable comparison.
The clerk at the local 7-11 risks being shot by a crack head every day all the interest of selling someone a Slurpee. Do they deserve a discount for their service? A good friend of mine was electrocuted and permanently disabled while working as a lineman for the power company. I can make a very good case that his service (keeping the power on) is a much greater need than a peacekeeping force in Afghanistan. Does everyone who works for the utility companies deserve special discounts?
Both fishing and logging have higher death rates than military service. And over that last 40 years only in 5 years were the deaths in military service higher for combat than for accidental deaths. That means even in military service you are more likely to die or be injured by a bad driver than a bomb.
I guess that over the years the number of people who claim to deserve special treatment has jaded me. I am tired of every group claiming they deserve special treatment because what they chose to do is somehow special. My solution is to treat everyone the same. And isn't equality the fundamental value the founders of this country used to justify it's existence? For those of you who have forgot, the first line of the Declaration of Independence goes: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal". No mention of special groups or services.

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westernrvparkowner wrote:

jplante4 wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

I can make a case for "duty and honor" in almost all professions. Heck, the guy who drives the trash truck fulfills a duty of keeping our cities and towns free of garbage.


And if there was an explosive hidden under one of the streets this guy was collecting garbage on, then this would be a reasonable comparison.
The clerk at the local 7-11 risks being shot by a crack head every day all the interest of selling someone a Slurpee. Do they deserve a discount for their service? A good friend of mine was electrocuted and permanently disabled while working as a lineman for the power company. I can make a very good case that his service (keeping the power on) is a much greater need than a peacekeeping force in Afghanistan. Does everyone who works for the utility companies deserve special discounts?
Both fishing and logging have higher death rates than military service. And over that last 40 years only in 5 years were the deaths in military service higher for combat than for accidental deaths. That means even in military service you are more likely to die or be injured by a bad driver than a bomb.
I guess that over the years the number of people who claim to deserve special treatment has jaded me. I am tired of every group claiming they deserve special treatment because what they chose to do is somehow special. My solution is to treat everyone the same. And isn't equality the fundamental value the founders of this country used to justify it's existence? For those of you who have forgot, the first line of the Declaration of Independence goes: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal". No mention of special groups or services.


Hallelujah. Well said.

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westernrvparkowner wrote:

jplante4 wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

I can make a case for "duty and honor" in almost all professions. Heck, the guy who drives the trash truck fulfills a duty of keeping our cities and towns free of garbage.


And if there was an explosive hidden under one of the streets this guy was collecting garbage on, then this would be a reasonable comparison.
The clerk at the local 7-11 risks being shot by a crack head every day all the interest of selling someone a Slurpee. Do they deserve a discount for their service? A good friend of mine was electrocuted and permanently disabled while working as a lineman for the power company. I can make a very good case that his service (keeping the power on) is a much greater need than a peacekeeping force in Afghanistan. Does everyone who works for the utility companies deserve special discounts?


Both fishing and logging have higher death rates than military service. And over that last 40 years only in 5 years were the deaths in military service higher for combat than for accidental deaths. That means even in military service you are more likely to die or be injured by a bad driver than a bomb.
I guess that over the years the number of people who claim to deserve special treatment has jaded me. I am tired of every group claiming they deserve special treatment because what they chose to do is somehow special. My solution is to treat everyone the same. And isn't equality the fundamental value the founders of this country used to justify it's existence? For those of you who have forgot, the first line of the Declaration of Independence goes: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal". No mention of special groups or services.


Hallelujah. Well said.


Treat everyone the same? My 95 year old Uncle was part of the invasion force on Okinawa in 1945.Next time we are attacked you go.

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westernrvparkowner wrote:

The clerk at the local 7-11 risks being shot by a crack head every day all the interest of selling someone a Slurpee. Do they deserve a discount for their service? A good friend of mine was electrocuted and permanently disabled while working as a lineman for the power company. I can make a very good case that his service (keeping the power on) is a much greater need than a peacekeeping force in Afghanistan. Does everyone who works for the utility companies deserve special discounts?
Both fishing and logging have higher death rates than military service. And over that last 40 years only in 5 years were the deaths in military service higher for combat than for accidental deaths. That means even in military service you are more likely to die or be injured by a bad driver than a bomb.


And any one of those people could walk away from any one of those jobs if they felt the risk was too big. If the owner of the 711 told that clerk when he/she was hired that they'd probably get shot doing the job, do you really think they would take the job anyway?

Well before the number of deaths in any of those professions reach the 58,000 lost in southeast Asia, the government will step in and take measures to stop the carnage.

I notice you didn't bring up police and fire fighters in your examples. Maybe you just have a problem with people who are wiling to risk their life for you.

Like a recent Facebook meme said. If you want to thank a vet for their service, be the kind or person worth dying for.

* This post was edited 12/10/19 02:42pm by jplante4 *

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RGar974417 wrote:

GDS-3950BH wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

jplante4 wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

I can make a case for "duty and honor" in almost all professions. Heck, the guy who drives the trash truck fulfills a duty of keeping our cities and towns free of garbage.


And if there was an explosive hidden under one of the streets this guy was collecting garbage on, then this would be a reasonable comparison.
The clerk at the local 7-11 risks being shot by a crack head every day all the interest of selling someone a Slurpee. Do they deserve a discount for their service? A good friend of mine was electrocuted and permanently disabled while working as a lineman for the power company. I can make a very good case that his service (keeping the power on) is a much greater need than a peacekeeping force in Afghanistan. Does everyone who works for the utility companies deserve special discounts?


Both fishing and logging have higher death rates than military service. And over that last 40 years only in 5 years were the deaths in military service higher for combat than for accidental deaths. That means even in military service you are more likely to die or be injured by a bad driver than a bomb.
I guess that over the years the number of people who claim to deserve special treatment has jaded me. I am tired of every group claiming they deserve special treatment because what they chose to do is somehow special. My solution is to treat everyone the same. And isn't equality the fundamental value the founders of this country used to justify it's existence? For those of you who have forgot, the first line of the Declaration of Independence goes: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal". No mention of special groups or services.


Hallelujah. Well said.


Treat everyone the same? My 95 year old Uncle was part of the invasion force on Okinawa in 1945.Next time we are attacked you go.


I did go, did you?

When I went I was not thinking about discounted campsite fees or 80 cents off of a $5 breakfast.

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