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toedtoes

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Non commercial class A in ca only allows an rv greater than 10,000 lbs. that’s it. As a note: a horse trailer with rv quarters is not an rv. It is a horse trailer and horses are not stock. They are pets. There for if over 10,000 lbs, a commercial class A is required. I bring this up because there is always an argument where horses are concerned.


I think you meant horses are stock. They are not pets. Therefore the horse trailer is commercial.


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What does any of this have to do with a 5th wheel RV endorsement?


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So, you have to:

Or borrow or rent a trailer from a person, dealership, rental to take your test with and then go get your trailer cross country.

How about this... Can I borrow you and your trailer? You seem very helpful and willing.

Aaaaagain sir, finding a simple little car to take a class-C driver's test is super easy. Everybody (friends, family members, driving schools etc...) has one or more cars available everywhere. Basic driving schools for a class-C are everywhere. That's not the issue. The issue is finding a viable source with the equipment to go and take the test. I don't know why you keep brining this "Class-C" comparison up, because it's not germane to the issue at hand of acquiring a non-com class-A.

I like the idea of hiring a driver that others have suggested. Like I said earlier, I do have a Class-A driver that I know, however even paying him for the time to travel across the country or halfway up the state for a California RV dealer is a snafu. I fully admit however that I have no other alternative and I'll just deal with it.

But again, it still sucks how there's no other option. For instance, if one wants a pilot's license, the student pays for lessons, and instructor and for aircraft rental for the FAA check ride. Not so for a non-com Class A license that I have found anyway.

It's a "smoother" journey to get licensed by the FAA than it is for getting a license to pull a heavy fiver in Cali. Hence the reason why I say Cali is "jacked up."

...How much would you charge me for your time and trailer rental???

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This is how it is in most states. It's not just California. Just because YOU don't have connections doesn't make this a problem with California. I know many folks who have managed to do this without all the complaining I see here.

You've been given options. So go do it and then you can stop stressing and fretting over it.

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Community collage, take one quarter CDL class and they use the collage trucks to test. The commercial CDL will cover most anything you want unless you want tanker, double, hazmat, bus endorsements. I was able to get the CDL with 3 of the endorsement trough the collage. Got really dumb then and bought an 18 wheeler because I had the license. 750K miles later I don't have an issue taking a 35ft 5W any where.


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toedtoes wrote:

94-D2 wrote:

Non commercial class A in ca only allows an rv greater than 10,000 lbs. that’s it. As a note: a horse trailer with rv quarters is not an rv. It is a horse trailer and horses are not stock. They are pets. There for if over 10,000 lbs, a commercial class A is required. I bring this up because there is always an argument where horses are concerned.


I think you meant horses are stock. They are not pets. Therefore the horse trailer is commercial.


No, I do mean they are pets and are not stock. This comes full circle in relation to the 5th wheel endorsement because there is an assumption that the horse trailer with living quarters is an RV, or can be covered by the stock trailer exemption. So, a horse trailer is not qualified under stock trailer because the horse is considered a pet and not stock for human consumption, unless augmenting a stock operation and most horse trailers are goose neck and not 5th wheel connections.

These issues are related to pulling a 5th wheel RV because of the confusion between the non commercial class A, And 5th wheel restriction on a class C.

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Community collage, take one quarter CDL class and they use the collage trucks to test. The commercial CDL will cover most anything you want unless you want tanker, double, hazmat, bus endorsements. I was able to get the CDL with 3 of the endorsement trough the collage. Got really dumb then and bought an 18 wheeler because I had the license. 750K miles later I don't have an issue taking a 35ft 5W any where.


What "works" - or is "the way to go" in NM (or elsewhere), is most definitely NOT happening in California - back to the original post/topic...[emoticon]

Community Colleges do *NOT* have "college trucks", nor do they have CDL classes. Might be one "somewhere" in the state, but very doubtful.

Several reasons NOT to have a *Commercial* Driver's License in CA:

1. Should you receive a traffic citation, you are not allowed to attend traffic school - as an alternate to a fine and points against your license. (Doesn't matter if you are not driving commercially when cited).

2. Although it *should* only apply if you are driving commercially, the blood alcohol level is half that of a std DL. Can you count on the LEO knowing that?

3. Routine stops. An infraction that may only result in a warning,
could result in a citation - as the LEO expects you to be a "professional driver" - and should be held to a higher standard.

4. Of course, you will also need a doctor's certificate every two years. Maybe you can get a free exam - maybe not. Just another expense.

For those reasons, some of us "gave up" our CDLs when they were no longer necessary for work related driving (CA has a separate Firefighter license now - at one time you needed a "regular" CDL for various apparatus).

BTW - South Dakota may have a better plan for 5th wheel towing?!
You're good to go with a standard Driver's License. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean you are "competent" to tow whatever it is you want to tow...[emoticon]

IMO - EVERY state should have a Non-Commercial classification! Many (besides CA) already do. Makes the roads safer for everyone!!

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Tank:

1 and 2 are incorrect. You CAN do traffic school if the violation was not in a class A vehicle (this was the case several years ago and since repealed) and the commercial .04% only applies while you are operating a class A vehicle. However, if you do get an 08% DUI in a regular non commercial, your commercial status will be effected. You CAN count on every LEO in CA to know that because that is the job and I’m sure any defense attorney and prosecutor would be enthusiastically happy to re-educated any officer that is unsure of such a critical investigation.

We (as a general rule) do not apply double standards to vehicle code violations in CA just because you are a class A operator. There are however more vehicle code violations that can be violated regarding the operation of commercial vehicle. Our discretion is the same whether or not to cite for any infraction, regardless of type of vehicle. Each case is subjective in nature and therefore mitigated by facts and circumstances surrounding the enforcement contact.

A non-commercial class A license is available in CA for those needing it. If your just pulling a 5th wheel over 15k or a TT over 10k, that is what you need.

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Is Class A what you need for double towing as well under 65 feet total?


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Ed9824v wrote:

Is Class A what you need for double towing as well under 65 feet total?


Good question because the Cal DMV website quick-chart doesn’t say....

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/cdl_htm/lic_chart

I thought it was illegal to tow BEHIND a fiver in Cali but I saw one today on the 22fwy in Garbage Grove. It was towing a flatbed trailer with a sand rail on it. It was behind an older Grand Design trailer.

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