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94-D2

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I used a 5 ton flat bed with six speed manual and air brakes coupled with a 12k flat bed trailer for my commercial class A. I paid $400 to an instructor who provided the equipment and 4 hours of training for the road test and walk around. I trained on big rigs independently and passed everything the first time. It was challenging but lots cheaper than a full blown truck driving school which is about $5K.

It is my understanding that DMV will require 40 hours of accredited training from a certified instructor this next year or so for a commercial license.


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I used a 5 ton flat bed with six speed manual and air brakes coupled with a 12k flat bed trailer for my commercial class A. I paid $400 to an instructor who provided the equipment and 4 hours of training for the road test and walk around. I trained on big rigs independently and passed everything the first time. It was challenging but lots cheaper than a full blown truck driving school which is about $5K.

It is my understanding that DMV will require 40 hours of accredited training from a certified instructor this next year or so for a commercial license.

Is the Ca. Non-CDL "A" specifically for RV's ? In my state it is not just for RV's but any 26000+ non-commercial vehicle. If you have a truck you could rent a heavy trailer .

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Non commercial class A in ca only allows an rv greater than 10,000 lbs. that’s it. As a note: a horse trailer with rv quarters is not an rv. It is a horse trailer and horses are not stock. They are pets. There for if over 10,000 lbs, a commercial class A is required. I bring this up because there is always an argument where horses are concerned.

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Very interesting read everyone. I am going to call AAA tomorrow morning and ascertain if they know of a driving school that's willing to get one a "non-commercial Class-A" license class. I would LOVE to have that license FIRST and before I make the purchase of my new heavy fiver.

The one I want is almost $8,000 less in another state, than here in crappy california. Only thing is, I would need to drive across the country to get it and I need my non-com class A!! My catch-22 is that I can't get my non-com CDL unless I show up with the heavy fiver and my truck!!! Many I HATE California!

Ahhhh, cali is sooooooo jacked up!


You don't have to take the test with a 5th Wheel over 15k GVWR. A Travel Trailer over 10k GVWR qualifies for the Non Commercial A test also. If you know someone who has a Travel Trailer over 10k GVWR, ask if you can use their trailer for the test.


That’s good to know. I will check in that. Thank you.

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Very interesting read everyone. I am going to call AAA tomorrow morning and ascertain if they know of a driving school that's willing to get one a "non-commercial Class-A" license class. I would LOVE to have that license FIRST and before I make the purchase of my new heavy fiver.

The one I want is almost $8,000 less in another state, than here in crappy california. Only thing is, I would need to drive across the country to get it and I need my non-com class A!! My catch-22 is that I can't get my non-com CDL unless I show up with the heavy fiver and my truck!!! Many I HATE California!

Ahhhh, cali is sooooooo jacked up!


Not sure how that is jacked up... in order to take the driving test for driving a big 5er, you need to have a big 5er to take the test with.

Not any different than having to have a car in order to take the driving test to get your standard license. Or to have a motorcycle to take the driving test in order to get your motorcycle license.

Somehow I think that's the same in every state. In order to get a specific driver license you have to have the specific vehicle with which to take the driving test.


It’s jacked up because of a catch-22 situation.

1). I can’t get a non-com Class-A unless I provide the appropriate trailer. However I can’t go out and buy the trailer and take it to the test unless I possess a Class A.

2). I know of no school in SoCal that offers a Non-com class-A course which would allow me to pay a rental fee and use the school’s vehicles for the test.

3). If I try to rent a big trailer for the dmv test, the rental place mandates that I already possess a class-A (commercial or non commercial).

4). comparing this situation with a regular class C drivers test is like comparing apples to Zebras. Not everyone has access to vehicles that fall into the non-com Class-A mandate. However literally all of us can go rent a car or have family that already owns a car to take to the DMV for a test. I have zero contacts nor resources of anyone that owns, let alone allow me to borrow their big trailer that meets the non-com class A license requirement.

5). The trailer I want is available across the country at a price that is almost $8,000 less than if I bought it in Cali. How do I go and pick it up and bring it back to Cali legally and use it for the DMV test if I can’t get the Class A to begin with?

Again, this is the government “helping” us subjects. It would be very simple if trucking schools offered a non-commercial class -A course and vehicle rental for the day of the test, but they don’t. I called three in the LA area and all three said no.

So yeah, the process of wanting to be in compliance with the California law is indeed jacked up.

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Its the same everywhere.... Cant drive a class A without a class A license.. need a class A vehicle to get the license.... Find a good soul close by that would go with as the training driver for a small fee..

I would do that for folks near me if given the chance...

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Driving school is going to be a tough find as their equipment meets the standards/definitions for a commercial class A and not the non-commercial class A. Most rental trailers will be stamped with a GVWR of 9,999 lbs. to avoid the hassle of a special license. The only CA license I am aware of that doesn't require you to be accompanied by a licensed driver is the class M.

The driving schools may not be available for the training but they are in the business of making money so they may have someone that will accompany you for a fee or possible do a side job of training. Stop by in person and one of the instructors might be able to help. I have also heard of people stopping by a local truck terminal and finding a licensed driver that will help for a small cash fee.

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Did you try and talk to a local RV dealer? Some of them have their own employees that are licensed for 1 reason or another...

Perhaps you could pay one of them on the side to help you with the driving portion..

AND as far as saving $8K from buying it across country.. do that, pay to have it delivered to you by an RV mover.. I paid $1k to have mine moved half way.. that still puts you up $5-6K depending on the quoted price . . .

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Try googling rv driver training and you should get several hits in your area. That should put you on a path to the assistance you are looking for.

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AirSupport wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

AirSupport wrote:

Very interesting read everyone. I am going to call AAA tomorrow morning and ascertain if they know of a driving school that's willing to get one a "non-commercial Class-A" license class. I would LOVE to have that license FIRST and before I make the purchase of my new heavy fiver.

The one I want is almost $8,000 less in another state, than here in crappy california. Only thing is, I would need to drive across the country to get it and I need my non-com class A!! My catch-22 is that I can't get my non-com CDL unless I show up with the heavy fiver and my truck!!! Many I HATE California!

Ahhhh, cali is sooooooo jacked up!


Not sure how that is jacked up... in order to take the driving test for driving a big 5er, you need to have a big 5er to take the test with.

Not any different than having to have a car in order to take the driving test to get your standard license. Or to have a motorcycle to take the driving test in order to get your motorcycle license.

Somehow I think that's the same in every state. In order to get a specific driver license you have to have the specific vehicle with which to take the driving test.


It’s jacked up because of a catch-22 situation.

1). I can’t get a non-com Class-A unless I provide the appropriate trailer. However I can’t go out and buy the trailer and take it to the test unless I possess a Class A.

2). I know of no school in SoCal that offers a Non-com class-A course which would allow me to pay a rental fee and use the school’s vehicles for the test.

3). If I try to rent a big trailer for the dmv test, the rental place mandates that I already possess a class-A (commercial or non commercial).

4). comparing this situation with a regular class C drivers test is like comparing apples to Zebras. Not everyone has access to vehicles that fall into the non-com Class-A mandate. However literally all of us can go rent a car or have family that already owns a car to take to the DMV for a test. I have zero contacts nor resources of anyone that owns, let alone allow me to borrow their big trailer that meets the non-com class A license requirement.

5). The trailer I want is available across the country at a price that is almost $8,000 less than if I bought it in Cali. How do I go and pick it up and bring it back to Cali legally and use it for the DMV test if I can’t get the Class A to begin with?

Again, this is the government “helping” us subjects. It would be very simple if trucking schools offered a non-commercial class -A course and vehicle rental for the day of the test, but they don’t. I called three in the LA area and all three said no.

So yeah, the process of wanting to be in compliance with the California law is indeed jacked up.


Again. No different than any other driving test requirement.

As for non-commerical class A being different than a regular class C - nope.

In order to rent a car to take the test with you have to have a valid class C license.

Or you try to find a friend who has a car and will let you use it to take the test.

Or you try to find a dealership or school to help you out.

And California doesn't control driver training businesses and tell them not to offer non-commercial class A training. It's simply a matter of economics - there isn't enough money to offer such classes.

The problem is that you want it all your way:

Buy the trailer across country
Drive it back to California yourself
And be able to get your non-commercial class A without having to take the driving portion of the test before you get your trailer

The last is not going to happen. You WILL have to take the driving portion of the test before you can legally drive the trailer.

So, you have to:
Buy the trailer locally and ask the dealership to deliver it to the DMV office for your test;
Buy the trailer cross country and pay to have it delivered to the DMV office for your test;
Or borrow or rent a trailer from a person, dealership, rental to take your test with and then go get your trailer cross country.

At this point, you have hashed all this out and you still want to say it can't work. That it's an evil plot of California to keep you from doing what you want.

The truth is California doesn't care enough about you to set this up as a catch 22. It is nothing more than a logical system (you must prove you can handle the vehicle before they license you to drive the vehicle). It is your responsibility to obtain a vehicle to test with. Just like every other driver in most anywhere is required to do.


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