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Posted: 12/08/19 11:27pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

Flashman wrote:

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And this proves what?[emoticon]


A lot harder use age than dragging a RV on American roads.


And?

Decades old Land Rovers and Land Cruisers whose odometers have made several rounds are doing that everyday in Africa.


Not without multiple engine rebuilds and other major works...at least for the Land Rovers. They are well known to be simple to repair but you needed to repair often.

I suspect part of it is there are some who suggest American trucks can't hold up well in challenging 3rd world conditions but it's really more of a marketing thing. Most people in these countries go Toyota because it's the dominant brand so finding parts is easier...not that Toyota is any more durable.


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100,000 miles on a truck in Africa? That's probably 95% of Land Rover in that continent.


Only been to Egypt, Kenya and Tanzania but didn't see a single Land Rover driving all over heck and back on a few trips.

It was mostly AWD Toyota Minivans (probably 2/3) and heavily modified Toyota Land Cruisers out in the national parks...and the drivers all felt the Minivans were better off road vehicles (yes, we did some heavy duty off road work with them).

In the cities and built up areas, it's just normal cars like you would see anywhere else in the world.

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

And this proves what?[emoticon]


A lot harder use age than dragging a RV on American roads.


And?

Decades old Land Rovers and Land Cruisers whose odometers have made several rounds are doing that everyday in Africa.

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Valhalla360 wrote:

you needed to repair often.

I suspect part of it is there are some who suggest American trucks can't hold up well in challenging 3rd world conditions but it's really more of a marketing thing. Most people in these countries go Toyota because it's the dominant brand so finding parts is easier...not that Toyota is any more durable. 

No Toyota's are unbreakable in these sort of conditions. Reason why the parts are avaiable in Africa, because of that reliability
US and European vehicles do not share that reliabilty. Other Japanese vehicles have similar very good reliability, that is why you see Japanese vehicles primarily roaming around Africa .
It is very very common.

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I'm thinking runt complex. One parent was a troll.


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RobertRyan wrote:

Valhalla360 wrote:

you needed to repair often.

I suspect part of it is there are some who suggest American trucks can't hold up well in challenging 3rd world conditions but it's really more of a marketing thing. Most people in these countries go Toyota because it's the dominant brand so finding parts is easier...not that Toyota is any more durable. 

No Toyota's are unbreakable in these sort of conditions. Reason why the parts are avaiable in Africa, because of that reliability
US and European vehicles do not share that reliabilty. Other Japanese vehicles have similar very good reliability, that is why you see Japanese vehicles primarily roaming around Africa .
It is very very common.


You do realize, you rewrote my comment to say something the original didn't say...and then you criticized the result.

But honestly, not much difference in reliability. Toyota simply dominated the market before the US brands got in and then they couldn't break in...kind of like Toyota is a distant also ran in N. America mostly because the market is dominated by the Big 3 more than any actual quality issue (that and Toyota couldn't get it through their heads, Americans want a big V8 truck for the first 30yr they tried to enter the market.)

Of course, it's funny, that we had to stop for repairs twice with the Land Cruiser we had last February in Tanzania...so "unbreakable" doesn't really hold up (not that I'm suggesting they are bad vehicles)

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valhalla360 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Valhalla360 wrote:

you needed to repair often.

I suspect part of it is there are some who suggest American trucks can't hold up well in challenging 3rd world conditions but it's really more of a marketing thing. Most people in these countries go Toyota because it's the dominant brand so finding parts is easier...not that Toyota is any more durable. 

No Toyota's are unbreakable in these sort of conditions. Reason why the parts are avaiable in Africa, because of that reliability
US and European vehicles do not share that reliabilty. Other Japanese vehicles have similar very good reliability, that is why you see Japanese vehicles primarily roaming around Africa .
It is very very common.


You do realize, you rewrote my comment to say something the original didn't say...and then you criticized the result.

But honestly, not much difference in reliability. Toyota simply dominated the market before the US brands got in and then they couldn't break in...kind of like Toyota is a distant also ran in N. America mostly because the market is dominated by the Big 3 more than any actual quality issue (that and Toyota couldn't get it through their heads, Americans want a big V8 truck for the first 30yr they tried to enter the market.)

Of course, it's funny, that we had to stop for repairs twice with the Land Cruiser we had last February in Tanzania...so "unbreakable" doesn't really hold up (not that I'm suggesting they are bad vehicles)


He does that because he wants to say US sucks at something. You are correct about the Toyota dominating the market simply because they became a major player in those markets before anyone else did and other brands could not break through. I was watching a video below about the Land Cruiser and how Toyota purposely used it as their strategy when they started selling vehicles in other markets. This strategy worked well for them.

Why The Toyota Land Cruiser Is Disappearing From America

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Wow, not sure I've seen a thread go south as fast as this one.
Good job guys.


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You do realize, you rewrote my comment t........t I'm suggesting they are bad vehicles) 
Well there is no marketing in many parts of Africa and Toyota DID NOT get to Africa first. Africa was one huge Colony with British , French and other European ,and American Trucks. Toyota and the Japanese generally have taken over you can throw in the Koreans as well.
Maybe you could ask the Question Why Australia is the biggest Market for US Pickups with 1300- 1600 YTD sold outside NA

* This post was edited 12/09/19 09:51am by RobertRyan *

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Am I the only one who noticed the Ram was being used by a road rally racing team? Rally mechanics can keep anything running, whether they have spare parts or not.


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