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hvac

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Posted: 12/12/19 09:16pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

For many emission components, the expected service life is 100k miles. Many are not even warranted past 36k miles. A modern diesel has huge financial exposure past 100k miles. Go to the turbo diesel forum.its getting to make sense to turn them at 125k miles or less.

The following is a brief comeback from one of lead moderators, I asked if my new 2018 CTD would be reliable past 100k miles. He's a technician as well,
Ever had to replace the complete exhaust\catalyst system when a DEF injector sticks just destroys some $4k of emissions stuff plus itself? Do that ONCE then look at the bottom line on costs. What are you gonna do when the ignition module fails and it won't recognize that playschool key anymore? Just TRY to jump that truck into running to where you can get it fixed cuz you ain't doing it yourself anymore due to the fact it REQUIRES dealer programming to install and set it up. Don't ever do any one a favor jumping their dead vehicle in a parking lot, ANY little inattention or unknown problem will take out a TIPM or ECM and you are in the same boat. Do I dare mention turbos that carbon up, head gaskets that leak for no obvious reason, injector tips that break off, injectors that hang and melt pistons on a hard pull, and the infamous grid heater bolt that burns off and gets sucked into a cylinder

* This post was edited 12/12/19 09:45pm by hvac *

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RobertRyan wrote:


Some how your 10million magically disappeared. Cannot see how you get 5 million out of those figures and the 3 million is even more fairy dust. Global Sales were on track for 100 million far cry from 80 million


They stated that the current vehicles sold is 73 million and they expect to be around 88 million by years end so 80 is a lot closer than the 100 million you stated. Again, I said OVER(as in ABOVE) 5 million because the last time I looked at the figures for last year it was at 4 million so I was not incorrect with saying it was OVER 5 million. So in 2018, 6,356,870 trucks were sold globally and of those, 3,198,760 was from the NA. So yes, NA sales more trucks than the rest of the world combined.


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No they do not effect the vehicle, they regulate the emissions. Cummins is still poor, 350,000 miles is pretty ordinary for a 6.7 almost 7 litre Dieel


Yes, emission system does have an effect on a vehicles reliability. So your saying that 350k is ordinary for most 7 liter engines, but only the Cummins is poor? What? That does not make sense aside from the fact that you just want to say something from America sucks again.

* This post was edited 12/13/19 08:12am by ShinerBock *

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I wouldn't listen to that so called "technician". He sounds very uneducated on the modern cummins. He probably owns a first gen and is just talking ****. A majority of the stuff he said is nonsense.
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For many emission components, the expected service life is 100k miles. Many are not even warranted past 36k miles. A modern diesel has huge financial exposure past 100k miles. Go to the turbo diesel forum.its getting to make sense to turn them at 125k miles or less.

The following is a brief comeback from one of lead moderators, I asked if my new 2018 CTD would be reliable past 100k miles. He's a technician as well,
Ever had to replace the complete exhaust\catalyst system when a DEF injector sticks just destroys some $4k of emissions stuff plus itself? Do that ONCE then look at the bottom line on costs. What are you gonna do when the ignition module fails and it won't recognize that playschool key anymore? Just TRY to jump that truck into running to where you can get it fixed cuz you ain't doing it yourself anymore due to the fact it REQUIRES dealer programming to install and set it up. Don't ever do any one a favor jumping their dead vehicle in a parking lot, ANY little inattention or unknown problem will take out a TIPM or ECM and you are in the same boat. Do I dare mention turbos that carbon up, head gaskets that leak for no obvious reason, injector tips that break off, injectors that hang and melt pistons on a hard pull, and the infamous grid heater bolt that burns off and gets sucked into a cylinder


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js9234 wrote:

I wouldn't listen to that so called "technician". He sounds very uneducated on the modern cummins. He probably owns a first gen and is just talking ****. A majority of the stuff he said is nonsense.
hvac wrote:

For many emission components, the expected service life is 100k miles. Many are not even warranted past 36k miles. A modern diesel has huge financial exposure past 100k miles. Go to the turbo diesel forum.its getting to make sense to turn them at 125k miles or less.

The following is a brief comeback from one of lead moderators, I asked if my new 2018 CTD would be reliable past 100k miles. He's a technician as well,
Ever had to replace the complete exhaust\catalyst system when a DEF injector sticks just destroys some $4k of emissions stuff plus itself? Do that ONCE then look at the bottom line on costs. What are you gonna do when the ignition module fails and it won't recognize that playschool key anymore? Just TRY to jump that truck into running to where you can get it fixed cuz you ain't doing it yourself anymore due to the fact it REQUIRES dealer programming to install and set it up. Don't ever do any one a favor jumping their dead vehicle in a parking lot, ANY little inattention or unknown problem will take out a TIPM or ECM and you are in the same boat. Do I dare mention turbos that carbon up, head gaskets that leak for no obvious reason, injector tips that break off, injectors that hang and melt pistons on a hard pull, and the infamous grid heater bolt that burns off and gets sucked into a cylinder


I agree. For one, the DEF injector and SCR is the last part of the whole emissions system and there is nothing after it except for pipe so I do not see how one would need to replace the whole system if it fails. Also, the DEF injector is a removable part so there is no need to replace the whole system just for a faulty DEF injector. In fact, the downpipe, DPF, DEF and SCR can all be taken off desperately.

Some of the stuff like injector tips breaking off or grid heater bolts breaking off is not nonsense, but the chance of them happening is so rare you are probably more likely to be hit by a truck than it happening if you properly maintain your vehicle. Injector tip blowing is usually a sign of fuel contamination from water.

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hvac wrote:

For many emission components, the expected service life is 100k miles. Many are not even warranted past 36k miles. A modern diesel has huge financial exposure past 100k miles. Go to the turbo diesel forum.its getting to make sense to turn them at 125k miles or less.

The following is a brief comeback from one of lead moderators, I asked if my new 2018 CTD would be reliable past 100k miles. He's a technician as well,
Ever had to replace the complete exhaust\catalyst system when a DEF injector sticks just destroys some $4k of emissions stuff plus itself? Do that ONCE then look at the bottom line on costs. What are you gonna do when the ignition module fails and it won't recognize that playschool key anymore? Just TRY to jump that truck into running to where you can get it fixed cuz you ain't doing it yourself anymore due to the fact it REQUIRES dealer programming to install and set it up. Don't ever do any one a favor jumping their dead vehicle in a parking lot, ANY little inattention or unknown problem will take out a TIPM or ECM and you are in the same boat. Do I dare mention turbos that carbon up, head gaskets that leak for no obvious reason, injector tips that break off, injectors that hang and melt pistons on a hard pull, and the infamous grid heater bolt that burns off and gets sucked into a cylinder


It's remarkable that any of the multitude of diesel trucks I see running around every day are even on the road.


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^ Almost as remarkable as this thread and some of the responses! LOL

And FYI, bad DEF injectors don't ruin anything. Up in the arctic, some of the trucks ate them like candy. When your exhaust was (literally) peeing on the ice, pop a new def injector in it and away you go.


"Yes Sir, Oct 10 1888, Those poor school children froze to death in their tracks. They did not even find them until Spring. Especially hard hit were the ones who had to trek uphill to school both ways, with no shoes." -Bert A.

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I got a chance to read the article the owner sent to TFL Truck. Most of the people I know in AB or SK or BC would be pissed if a new Ram diesel didn’t run 100k miles with anything but routine maintenance and any lawyer repairs. Mine needed nothing but a clutch (95k miles) before 100k miles, 40% towing 10-14k trailers. Now at 260k miles it has a broken piston ring which I caused myself by not looking after an out of spec injector, and understanding what was happening. Yep, it broke. Of course it only towed back 1800 miles from the Mexico border with AZ to eastern AB and then got used for some heavy towing last spring and summer with a oil jug under the hood to catch the blow by slobber, but now it is quietly resting except when it’s needed on the 18k goose neck stock trailer. Misfires for a couple minutes on cold start but after that it’s a 5 -1/2 cylinder... there’s a project plan afoot...

TFL Truck is an entertaining organization- but their experience is with brand new latest and greatest (in the “real world”) or gently poking fun at 5 yr old trucks as “dated” etc etc etc
They don’t really do much with trucks that have been used for 5 or 10 years in the real world.

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They don’t really do much with trucks that have been used for 5 or 10 years in the real world.


The only vehicles they do that with are their long term trucks that they own. Most(if not all) review sites do their reviews on new vehicles that the manufacturers give them to review. Who would be giving these reviewers 5 to 10 year old trucks?

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ShinerBock wrote:

noteven wrote:


They don’t really do much with trucks that have been used for 5 or 10 years in the real world.


The only vehicles they do that with are their long term trucks that they own. Most(if not all) review sites do their reviews on new vehicles that the manufacturers give them to review. Who would be giving these reviewers 5 to 10 year old trucks?


Now that you mention that a viewer brought them his Toyota Tacoma with 700,000 miles that has a supercharged engine that was offered as a dealer installed option. Andre did a good interview.

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noteven wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

noteven wrote:


They don’t really do much with trucks that have been used for 5 or 10 years in the real world.


The only vehicles they do that with are their long term trucks that they own. Most(if not all) review sites do their reviews on new vehicles that the manufacturers give them to review. Who would be giving these reviewers 5 to 10 year old trucks?


Now that you mention that a viewer brought them his Toyota Tacoma with 700,000 miles that has a supercharged engine that was offered as a dealer installed option. Andre did a good interview.


Ohh, I haven't seen that one. I need to go check it out.

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