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mich800

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goducks10 wrote:

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How about I put it this way. I tow a 9500# TT. For my lifestyle I don't need a diesel anymore. My truck sits for weeks at a time. I would like about 50 more HP and 75 lbs more of TQ. That would be about perfect for my camping style. What I don't need to do is spend $10,495 for a diesel that's overkill for my situation.
I think you're missing the point of gas owners. Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is that most just want a decent amount of an HP/TQ increase and don't need the massive power output of a diesel at the cost of the option when it's not something thats being used enough to validate.


Why do one have to "need" the power of a diesel in their justification for it, but would turn around and buy a more powerful and expensive gas engine even though the base gas engine will do just fine? You don't need a 7.3L or an addition 50 hp or 754 lb-ft to pull a 9,500 lb trailer. Heck, you don't even need an SD to do that. But I bet you want it just like you want more power. No need to justify things by saying you don't need it if you end up buying something you don't need in the first place. You don't need a 9,500 lb RV, but I bet you spent more than what a diesel upgrade costs because you wanted one.

I just don't get why needs and recouping your money always comes up when talking about a diesel engine upgrade, but never does when talking about a gas engine upgrade.


How do you know what I need or don't need?


So a half ton F150 will not pull your 9,500 trailer? If not, wouldn't a 6.2L SD? If so, then you don't need the power of a 7.3L. However, you would spend the money to get one because you want one just like most diesel engine owners do.


Seriously you are going to drive yourself insane. You are seeking an answer that fits neatly in a Venn diagram. A primary tennent of economics is that of the rational consumer.

"A consumer is rational if he decides for the option that maximizes his/her utility."

You have your hook into this theory that choosing gas over diesel or vise versa somehow is primarily derived from this magical ability to perform a "single" specific task. And deviating from this option in your purchasing decision for someone else makes little sense. For every normative argument you make I or anyone else can make an opposite or different argument and neither would be incorrect because it reflects "their" rational decision.

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Sigh... it must be winter time on RV.net.

Rather than be happy that we have an amazing assortment of manufacturers and engine choices, we have to argue about why OURS is best... Nevermind that modern gas engines are more powerful than diesel engines from just a few years ago. I hope that this new 7.3 is a great engine and the new 10 speed transmission is solid and makes the truck reasonably fuel efficient. More options are always better, I don't understand the arguments here...


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Yeah where I am the price for fuel is a huge factor...right now diesel is @ $3.49 gallon while gasoline is 2.78...in the summer months gas will stay the same and the diesel fuel will jump to as much as 3.89 per gallon costing $1 more per gallon than gasoline....we see it here every summer. Pa diesel fuel tax is insane and it would never be an option for me to own a diesel over a gas truck unless I towed over 20k constantly which I don't or you were just dumb and loved throwing money away...for the avg Rv'r here towing around 12 to 13k rigs and using their truck as a daily driver the diesel just doesn't make sense...would I love to own one sure but not at that cost....unless some huge raise came about I am unaware of.


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mich800 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

goducks10 wrote:



How about I put it this way. I tow a 9500# TT. For my lifestyle I don't need a diesel anymore. My truck sits for weeks at a time. I would like about 50 more HP and 75 lbs more of TQ. That would be about perfect for my camping style. What I don't need to do is spend $10,495 for a diesel that's overkill for my situation.
I think you're missing the point of gas owners. Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is that most just want a decent amount of an HP/TQ increase and don't need the massive power output of a diesel at the cost of the option when it's not something thats being used enough to validate.


Why do one have to "need" the power of a diesel in their justification for it, but would turn around and buy a more powerful and expensive gas engine even though the base gas engine will do just fine? You don't need a 7.3L or an addition 50 hp or 754 lb-ft to pull a 9,500 lb trailer. Heck, you don't even need an SD to do that. But I bet you want it just like you want more power. No need to justify things by saying you don't need it if you end up buying something you don't need in the first place. You don't need a 9,500 lb RV, but I bet you spent more than what a diesel upgrade costs because you wanted one.

I just don't get why needs and recouping your money always comes up when talking about a diesel engine upgrade, but never does when talking about a gas engine upgrade.


How do you know what I need or don't need?


So a half ton F150 will not pull your 9,500 trailer? If not, wouldn't a 6.2L SD? If so, then you don't need the power of a 7.3L. However, you would spend the money to get one because you want one just like most diesel engine owners do.


Seriously you are going to drive yourself insane. You are seeking an answer that fits neatly in a Venn diagram. A primary tennent of economics is that of the rational consumer.

"A consumer is rational if he decides for the option that maximizes his/her utility."

You have your hook into this theory that choosing gas over diesel or vise versa somehow is primarily derived from this magical ability to perform a "single" specific task. And deviating from this option in your purchasing decision for someone else makes little sense. For every normative argument you make I or anyone else can make an opposite or different argument and neither would be incorrect because it reflects "their" rational decision.


All I did is make this one comment....

ShinerBock wrote:

Not sure why anyone cares about the 7.3L. According to the HD gas owners here, they don't need more power which is why they bought the gas engine instead of the diesel. So why would an engine with more power that you will have to pay more for matter now?


....based on past comments I have seen here and other forums and it stirred a beehive. I just don't get the logic that one has to need the added power or has to recoup the cost when upgrading to a diesel, but not with any other gas engine option or even any other option like a Tradesman/XL to a Laramie/Lariat. Why is the diesel engine option the only one that has to be justified by needing it and recouping money, but the others don't?

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librty02 wrote:

Yeah where I am the price for fuel is a huge factor...right now diesel is @ $3.49 gallon while gasoline is 2.78...in the summer months gas will stay the same and the diesel fuel will jump to as much as 3.89 per gallon costing $1 more per gallon than gasoline....we see it here every summer. Pa diesel fuel tax is insane and it would never be an option for me to own a diesel over a gas truck unless I towed over 20k constantly which I don't or you were just dumb and loved throwing money away...for the avg Rv'r here towing around 12 to 13k rigs and using their truck as a daily driver the diesel just doesn't make sense...would I love to own one sure but not at that cost....unless some huge raise came about I am unaware of.


What city or county? I only ask because I am not seeing the same data.

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ShinerBock wrote:

mich800 wrote:



Seriously you are going to drive yourself insane. You are seeking an answer that fits neatly in a Venn diagram. A primary tennent of economics is that of the rational consumer.

"A consumer is rational if he decides for the option that maximizes his/her utility."

You have your hook into this theory that choosing gas over diesel or vise versa somehow is primarily derived from this magical ability to perform a "single" specific task. And deviating from this option in your purchasing decision for someone else makes little sense. For every normative argument you make I or anyone else can make an opposite or different argument and neither would be incorrect because it reflects "their" rational decision.


All I did is make this one comment....

ShinerBock wrote:

Not sure why anyone cares about the 7.3L. According to the HD gas owners here, they don't need more power which is why they bought the gas engine instead of the diesel. So why would an engine with more power that you will have to pay more for matter now?


....based on past comments I have seen here and other forums and it stirred a beehive. I just don't get the logic that one has to need the added power or has to recoup the cost when upgrading to a diesel, but not with any other gas engine option or even any other option like a Tradesman/XL to a Laramie/Lariat. Why is the diesel engine option the only one that has to be justified by needing it and recouping money, but the others don't?


And I answered it.

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ShinerBock wrote:

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Yeah where I am the price for fuel is a huge factor...right now diesel is @ $3.49 gallon while gasoline is 2.78...in the summer months gas will stay the same and the diesel fuel will jump to as much as 3.89 per gallon costing $1 more per gallon than gasoline....we see it here every summer. Pa diesel fuel tax is insane and it would never be an option for me to own a diesel over a gas truck unless I towed over 20k constantly which I don't or you were just dumb and loved throwing money away...for the avg Rv'r here towing around 12 to 13k rigs and using their truck as a daily driver the diesel just doesn't make sense...would I love to own one sure but not at that cost....unless some huge raise came about I am unaware of.


What city or county? I only ask because I am not seeing the same data.

WASHINGTON AVERAGE GAS PRICES


State College PA. Drove through there Monday on the way to and from NY and paid $3.49, today at the same station it's $3.55. And he is correct as I have seen it @ $3.80 ish in the summer in PA. Pretty ridiculous IMO. Running around $2.95 in VA and I cry about that.

Now you see the same data.

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Bottom line... goducks10 got tired of cleaning his EGR on his cummins and he complained about a lack of heat produced in the cab so he sold his low mileage truck for a new truck and paid more for the optional 6.4 gas engine that requires a special oil to prevent the cam from going flat to get as much performance as possible.

I truly hope his new truck lasts a lot longer so we don't have to hear about these type of stories!

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mich800 wrote:



And I answered it.


Not exactly, because while everyone has their own "rational" reasons, those reasons seam to change when it comes to certain options as justification for not getting it. Sort of like "sour grapes" syndrome.

If one places the same justification for all options like they do with the diesel option, then most people would be driving base 2wd model trucks with the lowest powered engine available that allows them to tow what they tow. However, that is not the case. People will spend $11k on the Laramie option without batting an eye and then turn around trying to justify if they need a diesel by "recouping" the money for it with fuel mileage. Or people would come on here and say they didn't need more power for what they tow when talking about a diesel and then turn around and buy a 7.3L over a 6.2L without question because they want the extra power. I am just commenting on the irony of the double standard.

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ShinerBock wrote:

librty02 wrote:

Yeah where I am the price for fuel is a huge factor...right now diesel is @ $3.49 gallon while gasoline is 2.78...in the summer months gas will stay the same and the diesel fuel will jump to as much as 3.89 per gallon costing $1 more per gallon than gasoline....we see it here every summer. Pa diesel fuel tax is insane and it would never be an option for me to own a diesel over a gas truck unless I towed over 20k constantly which I don't or you were just dumb and loved throwing money away...for the avg Rv'r here towing around 12 to 13k rigs and using their truck as a daily driver the diesel just doesn't make sense...would I love to own one sure but not at that cost....unless some huge raise came about I am unaware of.


What city or county? I only ask because I am not seeing the same data.

WASHINGTON AVERAGE GAS PRICES


Pa Pennsylvania Not Washington Allegheny County Pittsburgh area

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