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ShinerBock

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Posted: 01/03/20 09:10am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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State College PA. Drove through there Monday on the way to and from NY and paid $3.49, today at the same station it's $3.55. And he is correct as I have seen it @ $3.80 ish in the summer in PA. Pretty ridiculous IMO. Running around $2.95 in VA and I cry about that.

Now you see the same data.

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Based on that data and the average real world fuel economy of the 11.75 mpg of the 6.2L and 14.5 mpg of the 6.7L, the diesel would still have a lower cost per by one cent. It would be different for other brands though. It changes with other brands though snce the Ram 6.4L has an average of 12 mpg and the Cummins has an average of 15.5 mpg.

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State College PA. Drove through there Monday on the way to and from NY and paid $3.49, today at the same station it's $3.55. And he is correct as I have seen it @ $3.80 ish in the summer in PA. Pretty ridiculous IMO. Running around $2.95 in VA and I cry about that.

Now you see the same data.

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Based on that data and the average real world fuel economy of the 11.75 mpg of the 6.2L and 14.5 mpg of the 6.7L, the diesel would still have a lower cost per by one cent. It would be different for other brands though. It changes with other brands though snce the Ram 6.4L has an average of 12 mpg and the Cummins has an average of 15.5 mpg.


So in 60K miles a whopping $600? Oh boy!

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How about I put it this way. I tow a 9500# TT. For my lifestyle I don't need a diesel anymore. My truck sits for weeks at a time. I would like about 50 more HP and 75 lbs more of TQ. That would be about perfect for my camping style. What I don't need to do is spend $10,495 for a diesel that's overkill for my situation.
I think you're missing the point of gas owners. Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is that most just want a decent amount of an HP/TQ increase and don't need the massive power output of a diesel at the cost of the option when it's not something thats being used enough to validate.


Why do one have to "need" the power of a diesel in their justification for it, but would turn around and buy a more powerful and expensive gas engine even though the base gas engine will do just fine? You don't need a 7.3L or an addition 50 hp or 754 lb-ft to pull a 9,500 lb trailer. Heck, you don't even need an SD to do that. But I bet you want it just like you want more power. No need to justify things by saying you don't need it if you end up buying something you don't need in the first place. You don't need a 9,500 lb RV, but I bet you spent more than what a diesel upgrade costs because you wanted one.

I just don't get why needs and recouping your money always comes up when talking about a diesel engine upgrade, but never does when talking about a gas engine upgrade.


How do you know what I need or don't need?


So a half ton F150 will not pull your 9,500 trailer? If not, wouldn't a 6.2L SD? If so, then you don't need the power of a 7.3L. However, you would spend the money to get one because you want one just like most diesel engine owners do.


My TW is 1350+ lbs. So no a 1/2 ton won't tow my trailer. I also load quite a bit in my trucks bed so I want a CC LB. There are no CC LB 1/2 tons. Thats why I own a 3/4 ton truck.
I also bought the 6.4 because in 2018 when I bought it the 5.7 2500 only had 2100 lbs of CCC and a 9000 lb GVWR. I knew I was getting a different trailer and was on the fence about staying with a 5er or going back to a TT. I didn't want to max out the 5.7's 2100 lb CCC with a 5er.
2nd, I've never stated anything about recouping costs from owning a diesel. In fact I've always been one to say that for many buying a diesel is no different that someone buying a truck with leather, nav, and a moon roof. No one hopes to recoup the costs of those options. They buy then because they want them.
And I never said I needed more power, I said I would 'LIKE' more power. Who wouldn't regardless of what they own. Just because I don't need it doesn't mean I wouldn't like it.

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Bottom line... goducks10 got tired of cleaning his EGR on his cummins and he complained about a lack of heat produced in the cab so he sold his low mileage truck for a new truck and paid more for the optional 6.4 gas engine that requires a special oil to prevent the cam from going flat to get as much performance as possible.

I truly hope his new truck lasts a lot longer so we don't have to hear about these type of stories!

Keep that oil changed on time their buddy! [emoticon]

I'm flattered that you're so concerned about my truck.

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And I answered it.


Not exactly, because while everyone has their own "rational" reasons, those reasons seam to change when it comes to certain options as justification for not getting it. Sort of like "sour grapes" syndrome.

If one places the same justification for all options like they do with the diesel option, then most people would be driving base 2wd model trucks with the lowest powered engine available that allows them to tow what they tow. However, that is not the case. People will spend $11k on the Laramie option without batting an eye and then turn around trying to justify if they need a diesel by "recouping" the money for it with fuel mileage. Or people would come on here and say they didn't need more power for what they tow when talking about a diesel and then turn around and buy a 7.3L over a 6.2L without question because they want the extra power. I am just commenting on the irony of the double standard.


Not at all. You are just conflating your rational progression to a purchase decision with that of someone completely different.

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FishOnOne wrote:

Bottom line... goducks10 got tired of cleaning his EGR on his cummins and he complained about a lack of heat produced in the cab so he sold his low mileage truck for a new truck and paid more for the optional 6.4 gas engine that requires a special oil to prevent the cam from going flat to get as much performance as possible.

I truly hope his new truck lasts a lot longer so we don't have to hear about these type of stories!

Keep that oil changed on time their buddy! [emoticon]

I'm flattered that you're so concerned about my truck.


Just so you know the team is rooting for your new truck to last longer


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GDS-3950BH wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

GDS-3950BH wrote:




State College PA. Drove through there Monday on the way to and from NY and paid $3.49, today at the same station it's $3.55. And he is correct as I have seen it @ $3.80 ish in the summer in PA. Pretty ridiculous IMO. Running around $2.95 in VA and I cry about that.

Now you see the same data.

[image]


Based on that data and the average real world fuel economy of the 11.75 mpg of the 6.2L and 14.5 mpg of the 6.7L, the diesel would still have a lower cost per by one cent. It would be different for other brands though. It changes with other brands though snce the Ram 6.4L has an average of 12 mpg and the Cummins has an average of 15.5 mpg.


So in 60K miles a whopping $600? Oh boy!


Not really as the cost of DEF is not included in this @ 2 cents per mile avg...so the diesel would be in the negative....and in my area the summer diesel cost increase...If I lived down south were diesel was cheaper it might make more cents...get it cents lol

We should all just be happy we have all these options available to us and let them keep making more I'm all for it


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goducks10 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Bottom line... goducks10 got tired of cleaning his EGR on his cummins and he complained about a lack of heat produced in the cab so he sold his low mileage truck for a new truck and paid more for the optional 6.4 gas engine that requires a special oil to prevent the cam from going flat to get as much performance as possible.

I truly hope his new truck lasts a lot longer so we don't have to hear about these type of stories!

Keep that oil changed on time their buddy! [emoticon]

I'm flattered that you're so concerned about my truck.


Just so you know the team is rooting for your new truck to last longer

I've always wondered why you only post in the Tow vehicle section and routinely criticize Ram owners.
No biggie but it just seems odd and childish to me. But hey I guess some people never grow up.

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goducks10 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Bottom line... goducks10 got tired of cleaning his EGR on his cummins and he complained about a lack of heat produced in the cab so he sold his low mileage truck for a new truck and paid more for the optional 6.4 gas engine that requires a special oil to prevent the cam from going flat to get as much performance as possible.

I truly hope his new truck lasts a lot longer so we don't have to hear about these type of stories!

Keep that oil changed on time their buddy! [emoticon]

I'm flattered that you're so concerned about my truck.


Just so you know the team is rooting for your new truck to last longer

I've always wondered why you only post in the Tow vehicle section and routinely criticize Ram owners.
No biggie but it just seems odd and childish to me. But hey I guess some people never grow up.


We've seen plenty of childish remarks by yourself and a lot of times it gets ignored or just pawned off as you simply can't help yourself and perhaps it's this type of activity deserves such response. [emoticon]

BTW it's very flattering that you track my activity. [emoticon]

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FishOnOne wrote:

Bottom line... goducks10 got tired of cleaning his EGR on his cummins and he complained about a lack of heat produced in the cab so he sold his low mileage truck for a new truck and paid more for the optional 6.4 gas engine that requires a special oil to prevent the cam from going flat to get as much performance as possible.

I truly hope his new truck lasts a lot longer so we don't have to hear about these type of stories!

Keep that oil changed on time their buddy! [emoticon]

1. It's there, not their. [emoticon]
2. I'm 100% seriously wanting to know about these cam issues. I no longer own my 6.4L and haven't been actively "following" the engine on forums etc. but I'm not aware of any issues with the engine. Do you have any links? Are they giving trouble? I only owned mine to about 35,000 miles if memory serves....


Prev: 2010 Cougar 322QBS (junk)
02 Dodge 2500 4x4 5.9L CTD 3.55
07 Dodge 3500 4x4 SRW Mega 5.9L CTD 3.73
14 Ram 2500 4x4 Crew 6.4L Hemi 4.10
06 Chevy 1500 4x4 E-Cab 3.73 5.3L
All above are sold
Current: 07 Dodge 1500 5.7L Hemi 3.55 / 2010 Jayco 17z


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