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Grit dog

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Boxer, you'll be fine, and you already have the setup to be your own mini septic pumper truck.
FWIW, our camper, 90% of the time it's on the truck and being moved regularly when the toilet is being used. Obviously, no issue with emptying the tank.
But last year I spent a month straight in it for work. Month's worth of #2s daily (beats the portapottys on the job). I emptied the black tank near the end of the month through the garden hose connection on the drain cap. No plugging. Just lots of chocolate milk and TP!
It was kind of a test as we'd never let the camper sit, in use, for more than a week before moving/dumping. Shined a light down the terlet hole afterwards and didn't see much solids left over in there at all.
If you gave it a quick douse with a 5 gal bucket or 2 of water right before dumping, it will get as clean as it needs to for sure.


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Most tank treatments preserve the poo.
There are some that use bacteria to dislolve/eat it. These work very well with time. I once had my DW live in the TT in the driveway for 2 months. I did not get around to dumping the full tank for awhile. When I did, the clear plastic adaptor I use showed absolutly no solids were left. No smell, and it was pretty clear.
You are a perfect candidate for such a treatment.



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BoxerDogs wrote:


It works like a standard septic only on a smaller scale.


About what I expected.
No it does NOT work the same.
It is illegal and dangerous......especially if located anywhere near a well.


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Grit dog wrote:

Boxer, you'll be fine, and you already have the setup to be your own mini septic pumper truck.
FWIW, our camper, 90% of the time it's on the truck and being moved regularly when the toilet is being used. Obviously, no issue with emptying the tank.
But last year I spent a month straight in it for work. Month's worth of #2s daily (beats the portapottys on the job). I emptied the black tank near the end of the month through the garden hose connection on the drain cap. No plugging. Just lots of chocolate milk and TP!
It was kind of a test as we'd never let the camper sit, in use, for more than a week before moving/dumping. Shined a light down the terlet hole afterwards and didn't see much solids left over in there at all.
If you gave it a quick douse with a 5 gal bucket or 2 of water right before dumping, it will get as clean as it needs to for sure.


Thanks for the reassurance.
I'll work my way up in weeks not draining and see what happens.
It sure would be nice to empty it once a month rather than every trip.
And with my borescope I can check on it rather easily.

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Huntindog wrote:

Most tank treatments preserve the poo.
There are some that use bacteria to dislolve/eat it. These work very well with time. I once had my DW live in the TT in the driveway for 2 months. I did not get around to dumping the full tank for awhile. When I did, the clear plastic adaptor I use showed absolutly no solids were left. No smell, and it was pretty clear.
You are a perfect candidate for such a treatment.


Thanks for the info.
I'll dump whatever is necessary in the poop pod to make it a month.

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Dont leave it sitting in there. My buddy did as you describe and ended up with a solid "cake" in the bottom that was miserable to clean out. It actually clogged his tank and made it impossible to drain.

We use our trailer just as you described and also never come close to filling the black tank.
But, I have a solution:

Add a third valve just before the hose connection.
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This allows you to use your grey tank contents to flush your black tank thoroughly even when it is only partially full.

Procedure:
*Dump black tank, leave its valve open and close third valve.
*Open grey tank valve and allow contents to flow into black tank.
*Close grey tank valve and open third valve to dump black tank again.
*Close black tank valve and dump grey as usual (or backflush black again if you want).

This procedure cleans the black tank far better than my rinser (as evidenced by all the stuff that came out after I used my rinser and then used my third valve method). It also solves the problem of not having enough content in the black tank to dump it succesfully.

I even use this method at dump stations since it only takes an extra 30 seconds or so.


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Sam Spade wrote:

BoxerDogs wrote:


It works like a standard septic only on a smaller scale.


About what I expected.
No it does NOT work the same.
It is illegal and dangerous......especially if located anywhere near a well.


Having lived in the country and used septic tanks fo a lot of years I assure you it is the same.

You have a tank and a drain field,just like a standard septic system.

Surely you've heard "the grass is always greener over the septic tank"
As well as over the drain field.

Oh....the nearest well,an artesian well that flows 24/7 is four miles away at the front of the property.
The camper sits on 6000 acres and is in the middle of nowhere.

And you also have to remember the thing will only be used by two people on weekends.

And of course you dump a bunch of Rid X in the tank as well.

* This post was edited 01/07/20 08:46am by BoxerDogs *

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The camper sits on 6000 acres and is in the middle of nowhere.


In that case, all you really need is a big hole in the ground for "outhouse" use. [emoticon]

But the barrel method that you propose will NOT be legal in any area that regulates septic use. It just won't.

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Sam Spade wrote:

BoxerDogs wrote:


The camper sits on 6000 acres and is in the middle of nowhere.


In that case, all you really need is a big hole in the ground for "outhouse" use. [emoticon]

But the barrel method that you propose will NOT be legal in any area that regulates septic use. It just won't.


It is where I'm at and it's far better than a hole in the ground.
Humane waste isnt poison. When treated properly it's a fertilizer.

The ground it's going in is pretty much all sand which is a great filter.
Obviously I wouldnt go this route if it was clay soil like we have on the coast since it wont let liquids pass and you'd end up with a full barrel of poop and liquid in short order.

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So I'm going to fly in opposition to some of the posts on here. I never, as in never, use any kind of holding tank treatment in my tanks. Been doing it this way for 14 years and don't have smell issues. I have also let my blank tank sit with stuff in it for the entire summer and it was no better or worse than dumping after a weekend of use. If there is more than a few gallons of water in your tank you will be fine. Where the problem comes in is when people don't use enough water when flushing and the poop just drops and piles under the toilet.

Since you're not going to be moving the trailer you won't have the benefit of water sloshing around and breaking up the pile and floating it away. So you're probably going to have to add enough water to the tanks after dumping that the poop can be float away.

Two other thoughts that popped into my mind when reading the replies above.

I think you misunderstood the cassette potty suggestion. Most of the popup tent trailers with bathrooms use a cassette potty. At the end of the weekend you pull the cassette out from under the toilet and carry it off to empty it into a toilet. The cassette automatically seals as you pull it out so aside from the actual minute you're pouring it into a toilet there is no mess or smell. Just pull the cassette at the end of the weekend and put it in the back of the truck and empty it at home. Just don't forget to bring the cassette back to the trailer when you come back the next weekend. If I had to make a choice between a 5 gallon cassette or a 20 gallon blue boy tote in the back of the truck. I would go with the cassette any day of the week.

Not to get into the legalities of the homemade septic idea, but you mentioned the nearest well is 4 miles away. You also mention filling the tank with lake water. You do realize the restrictions on septic placement and such are based on distances from water sources, not just wells. Hopefully the lake is uphill from or at least a good distance from all the home grown septic systems around it.


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