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OkieGene

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Posted: 01/13/20 02:12pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Reminds me of the "made in china ****" so prevalent in our retailers.

In other words, Sum Ting Wong.

And no, I'm not saying this fake leather was made in china. I'm saying that todays mass retailers, and pretty much all retailers, are selling **** made in china that falls apart quickly. Junk, not quality, Sum Ting Wong.

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Bruce Brown wrote:

I could be wrong but the stuff thats failing isn't bonded leather.


If it's peeling it's bonded leather. Bonded leather is made by grinding up all the scraps left over after making "real" leather products, then adding the resulting powder to water to make a slurry. That slurry is then sprayed onto a fabric substrate and allowed to dry. When the manufacturing process takes shortcuts - either using poor quality materials, or just sloppy processes in general, the top layer will eventually separate from the substrate.

There is also a man-made product with the trade name "UltraLeather" - it is a higher quality product that seems to not be used much anymore.

We had a sofa and love seat set in our house made with bonded leather. It started peeling right as the warranty ended and the company would not do anything; they said it's "normal wear and tear". In contrast, our 2007 Bounder has UltraLeather upholstery and it still look great after over 12 years and 45,000 miles.


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ScottG, our first signs were the arm rests on the Captains chairs had fine hairline cracks. We covered them with long tube socks thinking that would be the end of it. WRONG ANSWER! Next the sofa showed hailine cracks that became larger cracks that started to peel. At that stage we took a detour to Elkhart and ordered all new furniture from Bradd and Hall. The theater sofa was on back order as they had sold so many of them to people like us. We lolly gagged around the country until ours came in. Within a day the old furniture was removed and replaced with our beautiful new furniture. End of story. Very happy with the new and ticked off at Fleetwood who basically told us we had what we had...$8500 later!





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Posted: 01/14/20 06:25pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Alan_Hepburn wrote:

Bruce Brown wrote:

I could be wrong but the stuff thats failing isn't bonded leather.


If it's peeling it's bonded leather. Bonded leather is made by grinding up all the scraps left over after making "real" leather products, then adding the resulting powder to water to make a slurry. That slurry is then sprayed onto a fabric substrate and allowed to dry. When the manufacturing process takes shortcuts - either using poor quality materials, or just sloppy processes in general, the top layer will eventually separate from the substrate.

There is also a man-made product with the trade name "UltraLeather" - it is a higher quality product that seems to not be used much anymore.

We had a sofa and love seat set in our house made with bonded leather. It started peeling right as the warranty ended and the company would not do anything; they said it's "normal wear and tear". In contrast, our 2007 Bounder has UltraLeather upholstery and it still look great after over 12 years and 45,000 miles.


Thanks for the info - I just learned something. Ours too has Ultraleather which has held up well.


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pigfarmer wrote:

ScottG, our first signs were the arm rests on the Captains chairs had fine hairline cracks. We covered them with long tube socks thinking that would be the end of it. WRONG ANSWER! Next the sofa showed hailine cracks that became larger cracks that started to peel. At that stage we took a detour to Elkhart and ordered all new furniture from Bradd and Hall. The theater sofa was on back order as they had sold so many of them to people like us. We lolly gagged around the country until ours came in. Within a day the old furniture was removed and replaced with our beautiful new furniture. End of story. Very happy with the new and ticked off at Fleetwood who basically told us we had what we had...$8500 later!


Thanks for the info.
Wow, $8500!
It's nice to have good stuff though. Bet it's very comfy.

I suspect mine is made from 100# free-ranging, grass fed (organic, of course) naug and wont have the same problems. Just different ones.

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ScottG, that was two very plush Captains chairs, ($950 each) but oh so comfortable for hours of travel, bench seat dinette that makes into a bed and theater sofa. Sofa has a wide fold down arm that makes it three seater. So far we are very happy with all of it. I forget what the labor was but with the wiring etc. etc. we didn't think it was too bad. Bradd and Hall were nice to work with.

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This issue isn't specific to Fleetwood. Our 2012 Forest River Georgetown (see signature) did exact same thing after just a few years.

We had an upholstery shop re-upholster both captain's chairs, the sofa, and the recliner a few years ago. Went with a really nice leather material they recommended. Was not cheap, but was much cheaper than replacing it all, and it worked out really nice. No more peeling, and the new material is much nicer. Real happy with it now.

No, manufacturer (Forest River) would not help us out. Nor did I expect them to. Hated having to spend all that $$ for reupholstery on a unit that was only a few years old, but is what it is, I guess.


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