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librty02

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Posted: 01/14/20 11:24am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

So just watched this video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwD-AXX6X-0

It looks like Ford did the same as GM did with Increasing the GVWR on their trucks to increase payload...

Shown in this video is a F250 Tremor Lariat Ultimate with a GVWR of 10800lbs and 2988lbs of payload in a 3/4 ton diesel...that is an 800 lb increase in GVWR and payload...


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Posted: 01/14/20 11:39am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

So now both GM and Ford have a 250/2500 truck in both class 2b and class 3. I will bet that there is no difference between the 250/2500 class 2b trucks with 10k GVWR and the 250/2500 trucks that are over 10k GVWR in the rear other than their sticker.

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I just looked at the towing guide and it looks like the 10800lb GVWR is an option and the 10k GVWR is still standard. The options cost is $1130 for the upgraded axle and GVWR and GCWR or $2730 for the upgraded 10800lbs GVWR with the Ultimate Trailer Tow Camera System.
GCWR goes from 23500 to 30000.
And this is only available with the 6.7 Diesel

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Up to a point...this is eating into their design margins and the cost is in longevity and service costs


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I appears that the trucks automatically comes with the higher GVWR, but you can select to have the lower GVWR for free on both the F350 and F250. I would select this option to keep it below 10k GVWR for tax and registration reasons especially if it is free.

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This topic has lead me to look into the spec data on the various differences on the 24,000 and the 26,000 lb. class A chassis. So looking at the Ford F53 2019 brochure it appears the only difference between these two chassis is the rear leaf spring rating. Same 9,000 lb. front axle, engine and drive train, same 17,500 lb. Dana rear axle, and same tires. Difference is 15,500 lb. springs on the 24K chassis verses 17,500 lb. springs on the 26K chassis.

Can't be more than a couple of hundred dollars of initial cost difference. So why would manufacturers building 37 to 39 foot class A gas coaches not go for the heavier 26K chassis to provide more CCC? Seems that the marketing pitch possibilities alone would be worth those bragging rights.

That certainly seems to be the case in the pick up truck marketing wars.


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ShinerBock wrote:

I appears that the trucks automatically comes with the higher GVWR, but you can select to have the lower GVWR for free on both the F350 and F250. I would select this option to keep it below 10k GVWR for tax and registration reasons especially if it is free.

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In Pennsylvania

Class 4A 9,001-10,000 GVWR $220.00 Yearly Registration Fee
Class 4B 10,001-11,000 GVWR $220.00 Yearly Registration Fee
Class 5 11,001-14,000 GVWR $335.00 Yearly Registration Fee

Pa tax is either 6% or 7% (dependent of county you reside in) of cost when you purchase the vehicle only so there is no difference there at all.

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That is not the case in Texas. The registration fee for a pickup truck over 10k GVWR is twice that of a truck below 10k GVWR. It is not much, but it is more I would have to pay just to have a sticker that says 10,800 GVWR when I could have one that says 10,000 GVWR that is able to handle the same amount of weight. There are also CDL requirements in many states for any commercial vehicles driven that has a GVWR of over 10k.

* This post was edited 01/14/20 01:40pm by ShinerBock *

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ShinerBock wrote:

librty02 wrote:


In Pennsylvania

Class 4A 9,001-10,000 GVWR $220.00 Yearly Registration Fee
Class 4B 10,001-11,000 GVWR $220.00 Yearly Registration Fee
Class 5 11,001-14,000 GVWR $335.00 Yearly Registration Fee

Pa tax is either 6% or 7% (dependent of county you reside in) of cost when you purchase the vehicle only so there is no difference there at all.


That is not the case in Texas. The registration fee for a pickup truck over 10k GVWR is twice that of a truck below 10k GVWR. It is not much, but it is more I would have to pay just to have a sticker that says 10,800 GVWR when though I could have one that says 10,000 GVWR that is able to handle the same amount of weight. There are also CDL requirements in many states for any commercial vehicles driven that has a GVWR of over 10k.



Yeah every state will be different. The only restriction for rv's in Pa is any combined registered weight over 26.001 lbs you need to have a non-commercial class A license. Class B for any one vehicle over that 26,001 lbs

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Dont a handfull of states play their socialistic tax games at the 10,000 pound point?
So manufacturers play the game too to help folks dodge greedy govt.
It's all just posturing and a matter of how much they can take.

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