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teejaywhy

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Long way off, but looking for feedback on routes for this journey. Due to schedule, we have to bomb it on the most direct route to Toronto, then we can take our time to meander our way home.

Leaving Phoenix May 24th.

PHX to STL pretty standard I-40 / I-44.

Of the suggested routes, I'm thinking to avoid both the Chicago and Detroit metro area by taking I-70 to Indianapolis, then north on I-69 and entering Canada at Port Huron.

Then CA-402/401 to Toronto.

Comments? Suggestions?
THANKS IN ADVANCE


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Would you do better entering Canada at Niagara Falls? 401 is a gong show, I would spend as little time as possible on it.

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I would agree with I70-I69 to Port Huron/Sarnia border crossing and then 402-401 to Toronto.
402 and 401 are virtually the same as any U.S. interstate highway. Once you get with a 30 mile radius of Toronto, highways are like any big city highway, busy and crowded about 20 hours a day.
Going through Niagara, longer going around the east end of Lake Erie and you still get bad traffic on QEW highway.


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Google Map's best route is I-40, I-44, I-70, I-69 to Fort Wayne, then through Detroit to Port Huron for crossing into Canada.

If it were me, in Michigan I would stay on I-69 all the way through Lansing and Flint to Port Huron, avoiding Detroit. (I try to avoid the congestion of large cities whenever possible.)

It is hard to avoid St. Louis, but there are good bypass routes using I-270. The southern bypass is slightly shorter than the northern. The direct route through St. Louis is two minutes shorter unless there is traffic congestion. (There is often a delay at the downtown Mississippi River bridge.)

You are the best judge on how to get from Phoenix up to I-40.

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Thanks for the replies.

@romore: You think thru Cleveland/Buffalo/Hamilton would be preferable?

We will likely pass by Niagara Falls on the way back home, stopping in Ohio to visit family.

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I would agree with I70-I69 to Port Huron/Sarnia border crossing and then 402-401 to Toronto.
402 and 401 are virtually the same as any U.S. interstate highway. Once you get with a 30 mile radius of Toronto, highways are like any big city highway, busy and crowded about 20 hours a day.


Agree. Have crossed at Port Huron/Sarnia the last two times into Ontario to near Hamilton. No problem and little delay at border.





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Port Huron is the easiest crossing. The 402 is an easy drive with mostly light traffic. From there the 401 eastbound is usually ok with slow downs at hwy7 at Kitchener and then traffic get congested approaching Milton. The QEW route from Niagara to Toronto can be a traffic nightmare more often than not, especially through Hamilton and Burlington.


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goggle has a route that looks good. 33 hours. It does go through Detroit but that traffic is workable if you go through it on the off hours.

Detroit is nothing like Chicago....I am from Michigan.


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RoyF wrote:

Google Map's best route is I-40, I-44, I-70, I-69 to Fort Wayne, then through Detroit to Port Huron for crossing into Canada.

If it were me, in Michigan I would stay on I-69 all the way through Lansing and Flint to Port Huron, avoiding Detroit. (I try to avoid the congestion of large cities whenever possible.)

It is hard to avoid St. Louis, but there are good bypass routes using I-270. The southern bypass is slightly shorter than the northern. The direct route through St. Louis is two minutes shorter unless there is traffic congestion. (There is often a delay at the downtown Mississippi River bridge.)

You are the best judge on how to get from Phoenix up to I-40.


We have used this route many times going to Texas. I live near Hamilton and would avoid crossing at Niagara Falls or Buffalo. The traffic congestion through to Toronto can be a nightmare.
As mentioned above, the 401 will get busy the closer you get to Toronto but there is no traffic free way to get there. Choose your time - Sundays are not too bad - especially early in the day.


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I like most of what is written here, but I will suggest you target to pick up I-94 and take that to where you can get I-69 (near Battle Creek) and take that to PH/Sarnia and the 402.

My one big caution is that you fuel before you leave the US. You may have to go down to the surface streets to find fuel (I don't know if the Duty Free at PH has this), but if you see the fuel prices in Canada....

If you come back close to Detroit, ask me for interesting stops.

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