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parker.rowe

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Hence why I do not trust tow specs from manufactures. Even the new everybody is supposed to meet tow specs, are too easy to meet in some ways. A min 12%grade pull in first gear! I can name multiple roads steeper than this that one would stall out on! Min speed of 40mph on a 5% freeway grade, 35moh if over 15000gvwr truck. Some on here would poop bricks going that slow. If I can't go up a 30% grade and start on a 30% grade I poop bricks.
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I'm guessing most people will never pull their camper up a 30% grade.

Shiners post about doing away with the old 1/2-3/4-1ton ratings is spot on. Nothing fits those molds anymore.

The axle and weight ratings are really where it's at to figure out what meets your needs.


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Hence why I do not trust tow specs from manufactures. Even the new everybody is supposed to meet tow specs, are too easy to meet in some ways. A min 12%grade pull in first gear! I can name multiple roads steeper than this that one would stall out on! Min speed of 40mph on a 5% freeway grade, 35moh if over 15000gvwr truck. Some on here would poop bricks going that slow. If I can't go up a 30% grade and start on a 30% grade I poop bricks.
Know what ratings mean, how they effect you, and reduce accordingly!

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I'm guessing most people will never pull their camper up a 30% grade.

Shiners post about doing away with the old 1/2-3/4-1ton ratings is spot on. Nothing fits those molds anymore.

The axle and weight ratings are really where it's at to figure out what meets your needs.


I know that I am towing at the limit for my truck but the only places that I have used 4wd low range were paved roads getting to peoples houses. So how steep of hill you will climb may depend on your neighborhood.

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There are 15%grades in Yellowstone. 18%grade in the front of my sister's house. A few local boat Ramos are that steep. Assuming these are what you may be going up or down, do you want bare minimum, a bit steeper you literally stall out? Or some percentage higher? Hence my 30%grade number.
Altho I did out in a set of stairs along a driveway a few years back. 6" rise, 18" run, so 33%grade for over 100'! I know of a block on Queen Anne avenue on north side that is 25%.
IF you have any chance as I do to drive around on these steeper grades, the min 12% grade that current spec calls for is 200% of max freeway grade. Hence why some have to go into 4lo to move trailer. They would could not do it, ie stalked out their rig in red! I stalked out my dmax once. Glad I had 4lo, pulling 12k equipment!
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I'm guessing most people will never pull their camper up a 30% grade.

Shiners post about doing away with the old 1/2-3/4-1ton ratings is spot on. Nothing fits those molds anymore.

The axle and weight ratings are really where it's at to figure out what meets your needs.


^ Probably not, but that's Marty's thing. How steep a hill can he dead start a load on is one of his primary criteria for determining a truck's ability.
I don't think 1/2 or 3/4 ton is even perceived as a rating. Anyone who doesn't know that it's a general term used to describe the class of truck and has absolutely nothing to do with how much it can haul in the bed won't benefit from a name change anyway. Who cares. It's like believing that if it isn't Kleenex brand, you an't blow your nose with it.

This thread was about the OP's perception of the ability of himself and his truck towing his trailer. Although it's strayed pretty far from that by now.


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A few local boat Ramps are that steep.

I gotta know where these are....

Maybe we can all get together and watch people back their TTs into the lake...
This sounds like fun... I will bring a 100 QT cooler of beer to share with my RV net friends.
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A few local boat Ramps are that steep.

I gotta know where these are....

Maybe we can all get together and watch people back their TTs into the lake...
This sounds like fun... I will bring a 100 QT cooler of beer to share with my RV net friends.
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Renton Was, south end of lake Washington, shilshoal bay marina, Puget sound. Many folks with RVs tow and have boat trailers too! Its real nice to have a steep ramp, especially if your trailer has an extendable tongue, and a boat that needs to float off and on, because you can not use rollers and a winch.
Tow ratings do not just entail pulling RV trailers. Boats, equipment traikers, snow mobiles etc.
What or how you expect a tow rig to do, are your performance ratings or specs. If you don't have to dead start on steeper grades as I do, oh well. Different trailers require diffent power specs, even if the same weight. HP needs cab vary by 30% vs base setup ratings start at.
Ask folks that deliver trailers best mph. A non slide smooth walk 5w. Worst, aluminum sided TT. A heavier smooth sided TT same floor plan, nets better mph! Les HP needs
Garbage trucks spec sn 80%gradabiluty, that's 40degrees. Some 100%ir more is needed depending upon task.
My performance specs are harder to meet than Detroit engineer specs.
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Huntindog wrote:

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A few local boat Ramps are that steep.

I gotta know where these are....

Maybe we can all get together and watch people back their TTs into the lake...
This sounds like fun... I will bring a 100 QT cooler of beer to share with my RV net friends.
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This is a street where I grew up, it's a 28% grade. A 4WD truck can get hung up if you stop when its just wet if you have the wrong skins.

The big thing was, and probably still is, to run up it when it had about 6" of snow on it. You needed to have a manly set of em as the running start required was brutal when you hit the bottom of the slope. I made it once with an International Scout. I made it halfway once in a 68 Bronco, the sideways slide back down was interesting.

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Although it's strayed pretty far from that by now.


Of course. Any thread subject that contains "Can I tow" or "half ton" in the title tends to do that. [emoticon]

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Huntindog wrote:

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A few local boat Ramps are that steep.

I gotta know where these are....

Maybe we can all get together and watch people back their TTs into the lake...
This sounds like fun... I will bring a 100 QT cooler of beer to share with my RV net friends.
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This is a street where I grew up, it's a 28% grade. A 4WD truck can get hung up if you stop when its just wet if you have the wrong skins.

The big thing was, and probably still is, to run up it when it had about 6" of snow on it. You needed to have a manly set of em as the running start required was brutal when you hit the bottom of the slope. I made it once with an International Scout. I made it halfway once in a 68 Bronco, the sideways slide back down was interesting.

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Are you suggesting trucks should be rated based on this criteria?


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I can speak as one who has recently gone to a CTD from an ED. Towing approx 8klbs in mountainous western regions and cross country with a ATC 28 front bedroom. Going on 3 years with this set up. Ill keep it simple.

No comparison. I pass on passes, enjoy the scenery coming down, and much more relaxed at the end of the day. Heavy cross winds and long grades are a distant bad memory. I would never go back to a half ton again with this coach anyway.

Speaks volumes gents, the ED did it, but this puppy does it so much easier.

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