Jan-19-2020 11:25 AM
Jan-25-2020 01:41 PM
dodge guy wrote:
What we are talking about here is strengthening the coach frame and adding a receiver. We don't need to be PE's to know how to increase that. In fact look next any RV, MH or Trailer and you can see that what the manuf designed is questionable. If I add extra supports or fish plates at is not going to cause a failure.
Now if we were saying to install a class III receiver and tow 10k lbs with it then yes that's a problem. Or if someone installs smaller brakes than what was designed.
Jan-25-2020 11:29 AM
Jan-25-2020 10:19 AM
RLS7201 wrote:FloridaRosebud wrote:RLS7201 wrote:Executive wrote:
The beautiful thing about weight and length posts is if they run long enough, sooner or later someone will post what you want to hear and you can go for it! After all you can always tell the court, you got it approved from RV.net. :B
Dennis, are you an Engineer or Lawyer or both?
It would be very informative if you can show us some laws against beefing up a frame and receiver.
Then from an Engineers standpoint, tell us why we can't perform these mods.
Richard
Mechanic. Cars
Operating Engineer. Commercial Bakery
Chief Engineer. Ink production.
RV repair. Owner, Operator.
Still tinker around with what ever is broke.
OK, let me jump in here as an Engineer (PE) who works for a forensic company and am a manager of other Engineers. Most of my work is legal in nature, IOW lawsuits. If you, as an owner, modify a design, and in this case "beefing up" the frame and receiver would be a modification of the design, you had better have it signed and sealed by a PE or approved by the jurisdiction that covers motor homes. If you don't and there is an injury or death as a result of what you modified you can bet there will be a lawsuit. I deal with this type of stuff every day. Bubba adds to a deck and it falls down, Bubba adds circuits to his house and it burns down, and Bubba is towing a load too heavy for the truck and it overturns. The insurance companies hire us to investigate and get to the root cause of the problem. If you are liable (if YOU are the root cause) the Attorneys jump in.
If someone is willing to take a chance then that's their choice, but one does it at their own risk. That's the real world now. You can certainly look me up to confirm what my company does: www.edtengineers.com.
Al Rose, P.E.
I have worked in the trades my whole life, without review of a PE, and I've see what Bubba does but not all of us are Bubbas. It sounds like you are saying that none of us without a PE have a clue what we are doing. I did say to take the coach to a qualified weld shop, in a earlier post. What you advocate would not allow any of us to make any kind of fix or modification to any thing without oversight. That would be an impairment on my rights.
Richard
Jan-25-2020 07:25 AM
RLS7201 wrote:
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I have worked in the trades my whole life, without review of a PE, and I've see what Bubba does but not all of us are Bubbas. It sounds like you are saying that none of us without a PE have a clue what we are doing. I did say to take the coach to a qualified weld shop, in a earlier post. What you advocate would not allow any of us to make any kind of fix or modification to any thing without oversight. That would be an impairment on my rights.
Richard
Jan-25-2020 06:55 AM
FloridaRosebud wrote:RLS7201 wrote:Executive wrote:
The beautiful thing about weight and length posts is if they run long enough, sooner or later someone will post what you want to hear and you can go for it! After all you can always tell the court, you got it approved from RV.net. :B
Dennis, are you an Engineer or Lawyer or both?
It would be very informative if you can show us some laws against beefing up a frame and receiver.
Then from an Engineers standpoint, tell us why we can't perform these mods.
Richard
Mechanic. Cars
Operating Engineer. Commercial Bakery
Chief Engineer. Ink production.
RV repair. Owner, Operator.
Still tinker around with what ever is broke.
OK, let me jump in here as an Engineer (PE) who works for a forensic company and am a manager of other Engineers. Most of my work is legal in nature, IOW lawsuits. If you, as an owner, modify a design, and in this case "beefing up" the frame and receiver would be a modification of the design, you had better have it signed and sealed by a PE or approved by the jurisdiction that covers motor homes. If you don't and there is an injury or death as a result of what you modified you can bet there will be a lawsuit. I deal with this type of stuff every day. Bubba adds to a deck and it falls down, Bubba adds circuits to his house and it burns down, and Bubba is towing a load too heavy for the truck and it overturns. The insurance companies hire us to investigate and get to the root cause of the problem. If you are liable (if YOU are the root cause) the Attorneys jump in.
If someone is willing to take a chance then that's their choice, but one does it at their own risk. That's the real world now. You can certainly look me up to confirm what my company does: www.edtengineers.com.
Al Rose, P.E.
Jan-24-2020 08:00 AM
Larrysr1957 wrote:
I have a 1998 Fleetwood Bounder 34V it says gross towing weight is 3500 pounds I have a 4000 pound Jeep I want to tow how can i
Increase my towing capacity. My GCWR is 23500 pounds, motor home dry weight (UVW) including fuel is 17250, carrying capacity is 2750 pounds towing capacity is 3500 pounds totaling 23500 pounds. Are there any suggestions on how to increase my towing capacity.
Jan-23-2020 01:18 PM
DallasSteve wrote:
Alternate solution: Get a lighter vehicle to tow or cut 500 pounds out of your Jeep.
Jan-23-2020 01:07 PM
Jan-23-2020 09:19 AM
RLS7201 wrote:Executive wrote:
The beautiful thing about weight and length posts is if they run long enough, sooner or later someone will post what you want to hear and you can go for it! After all you can always tell the court, you got it approved from RV.net. :B
Dennis, are you an Engineer or Lawyer or both?
It would be very informative if you can show us some laws against beefing up a frame and receiver.
Then from an Engineers standpoint, tell us why we can't perform these mods.
Richard
Mechanic. Cars
Operating Engineer. Commercial Bakery
Chief Engineer. Ink production.
RV repair. Owner, Operator.
Still tinker around with what ever is broke.
Jan-23-2020 07:41 AM
Executive wrote:
The beautiful thing about weight and length posts is if they run long enough, sooner or later someone will post what you want to hear and you can go for it! After all you can always tell the court, you got it approved from RV.net. :B
Jan-23-2020 03:21 AM
Jan-22-2020 03:53 PM
Jan-22-2020 03:29 PM
Jan-22-2020 01:26 PM
rgatijnet1 wrote:
The GCVW (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight) is the maximum amount of weight that the chassis and BRAKES were designed to handle.