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twodownzero

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Posted: 02/01/20 09:58am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

GVWR isn't "gross weight." If their restrictions are based on "gross weight," an F-350 isn't going to weigh over 10,000 pounds empty even if it does have a GVWR higher than that.

GVWR is the maximum weight the vehicle can be if loaded to the max. For a SRW the two rear tires are going to be a significant restriction because trucks carry weight primarily on their rear axles, but GVWR is lower than the combination of the axle weight ratings so it is more complicated than that and takes the entire vehicle design into account.

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blt2ski wrote:

Here in Washington, said 10k door sticker truck would probably have a minimum 12k legal gvw due to how this state licenses trucks. So you may want to make sure they do not ask for a copy of registration.
Here, take base wieght, times 1.5, to next higher ton.
If the truck empty wieght is 7000 lbs, times 1.5 equals 10,500. Next higher ton is 12,000. That's how much tonnage you would be required to buy. Even if the door sticker is less than 10k.

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Yep, Washington with its goofy weight calculations. My old 2500HD regular cab gas only weighed 5200 lbs empty, so they tagged it at 8K even though GVWR was 9200.

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RJ
Same with my 2000 C2500, but I'm 4800 empty. BUT for $15, either of us can buy the 10K weight, and be legal to 10K.....or 12, or 14.......

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twodownzero wrote:

GVWR isn't "gross weight." If their restrictions are based on "gross weight," an F-350 isn't going to weigh over 10,000 pounds empty even if it does have a GVWR higher than that.

GVWR is the maximum weight the vehicle can be if loaded to the max. For a SRW the two rear tires are going to be a significant restriction because trucks carry weight primarily on their rear axles, but GVWR is lower than the combination of the axle weight ratings so it is more complicated than that and takes the entire vehicle design into account.


Your explanation makes no sense. First paragraph uses gross incorrectly. Im thinking you mean "tare" or empty wieght.

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I like the different emblem idea. Just put 250 emblems on it.

Oregon has some funny things with the 10K GVWR as well with respect to tire chains vs. traction tires. During all but the worst storms in the mountains - Over 10K you need to chain up. 10K and under and traction tires/devices are acceptable.

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You're talking about a SRW truck, which looks the same as any other pickup. They'll never know the difference.


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twodownzero wrote:

GVWR isn't "gross weight." If their restrictions are based on "gross weight," an F-350 isn't going to weigh over 10,000 pounds empty even if it does have a GVWR higher than that.

GVWR is the maximum weight the vehicle can be if loaded to the max. For a SRW the two rear tires are going to be a significant restriction because trucks carry weight primarily on their rear axles, but GVWR is lower than the combination of the axle weight ratings so it is more complicated than that and takes the entire vehicle design into account.


I rest my case. Where's my $20?
In reference to the 2nd paragraph. First paragraph sounds like trying to second guess an HOA bylaw.


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the gmc denali trucks ( at least my2015) don't even show 2500 or 3500 on the side. It just says "Denali" Ihave a 2500 Denali, the neighbor a 3500SRW denali. Side by side other than knowing spring pack differences you can't distinguish one from the other. It would take a real "eagle eye" to seperate a 2500 vs 3500 SRW. But then the 2020 GM 2500's are something like and 11,500 GVWR. Within a few lbs of the 2500 SRW.

Get a 3500 and buy a set of 2500 stickers! for other vehicles.


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And now with the addition of > 10k gvw 3/4 tons, there's a whole nother level of confusion added to the "I'm right, but don't know what I'm talking about" crowd.
Waiting to see the discussions start blowing up on here about explaining that phenomenon....

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If you are asking what is included/different in the 10k GVWR option in the F350, it is the sticker.

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