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That being said, there's billions of dollars going into stifling research. The oil companies, instead of being on the leading edge of it, are trying to fight it as oil is more profitable now.


This actually not true. If it wasn't for Exxon and other oil companies investing in solar power research in the 60's and 70's, then we would be decades behind what we are today. Exxon is also has purchase agreements with Lincoln Clean Energy LLC.

Other oil companies have made similar investments in renewable energy as well such as converting carbon in the air to fuel(Carbon Engineering). This technology actually has the ability to reverse the amount of carbon in the air. If everyone converted to BEV's, then the funding of this research to actually reverse our carbon footprint will dry up.

* This post was edited 03/09/20 08:12am by ShinerBock *

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Why is it people do not understand the factual dynamics of providing electrical power in the USA???

Presently the nation's electrical power comes from these sources:

38% from natural gas
24% from coal
20% from nuclear
7% from hydro dams
6.5% from wind turbines
1.8% from solar

Scratch all fossil fuel use for generating electrical power? Lets see what that means?

Natural gas is from fossils and nuclear is slated to be gone too within 10 years, thus 38% plus 20% will be gone.
24% from coal and of course that will be gone too.
All diesel power generation will be gone too.

38 + 24 + 20 + diesel plants too = more than 82% of the USA power generation will not happen anymore.

Now the USA is just left with:

Hydro dams 7%
wind 6.5%
solar 1.8%

Just 15.3% of present power generation is left!

DREAM ON!!!

No reasonable solar energy is even capable within 40 degrees latitude from either Earth's pole towards the equator, under trees, limbs, and leaves, other than the max 8-10 hours of the daytime when the sun is not behind any clouds, fog, falling rain or snow or snow accumulation on the solar panels.

The wind must be blowing to turn the windmills or no power is generated. Add in that most areas have very low wind or calm winds during the nighttime hours so that sure doesn't help.

Maybe somebody has magic pills that create untold electrical power to save the day???

Tell me again where all the electrical power required today for the entire USA and then the 50+ million added vehicles that only can run on electricity are going to get all that electricity from??? I'm patiently waiting!!!


You don't find the "magic pills" unless you invest in technology. The market generally goes for the cheapest option. And that thinking will leave us in a heap of trouble years down the road if we don't have an alternative.


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2001400ex wrote:



That being said, there's billions of dollars going into stifling research. The oil companies, instead of being on the leading edge of it, are trying to fight it as oil is more profitable now.


This actually not true. If it wasn't for Exxon and other oil companies investing in solar power research in the 60's and 70's, then we would be decades behind what we are today. Exxon is also has purchase agreements with Lincoln Clean Energy LLC.

Other oil companies have made similar investments in renewable energy as well such as converting carbon in the air to fuel(Carbon Engineering). This technology actually has the ability to reverse the amount of carbon in the air. If everyone converted to BEV's, then the funding of this research to actually reverse our carbon footprint will dry up.


I'm aware they make token investment into renewable energy. They also spend a lot of money lobbying to ensure their profits from oil are available. When they could use that money to invest in renewables as well.

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Sorry, I meant 400, 600, 800 kWh instead of just stating amps.


Source? If true that's incredible. That means the base battery will do four times the work of a Tesla Model S.

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2001400ex wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

2001400ex wrote:



That being said, there's billions of dollars going into stifling research. The oil companies, instead of being on the leading edge of it, are trying to fight it as oil is more profitable now.


This actually not true. If it wasn't for Exxon and other oil companies investing in solar power research in the 60's and 70's, then we would be decades behind what we are today. Exxon is also has purchase agreements with Lincoln Clean Energy LLC.

Other oil companies have made similar investments in renewable energy as well such as converting carbon in the air to fuel(Carbon Engineering). This technology actually has the ability to reverse the amount of carbon in the air. If everyone converted to BEV's, then the funding of this research to actually reverse our carbon footprint will dry up.


I'm aware they make token investment into renewable energy. They also spend a lot of money lobbying to ensure their profits from oil are available. When they could use that money to invest in renewables as well.


Tesla and almost every other major company out there spend millions to lobby lawmakers to better their profitability even at the detriment of taxpayers so there is nothing new here. It seems biases are making it hard to get past a double standard.

Also, companies are suppose to be profitable and invest in what makes them profitable. If they don't, then their shares don't do grow. Many people's 401k retirements and IRA's are invested in those company shares and if they don't do well then their retirements do not either.

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2001400ex wrote:



That being said, there's billions of dollars going into stifling research. The oil companies, instead of being on the leading edge of it, are trying to fight it as oil is more profitable now.


This actually not true. If it wasn't for Exxon and other oil companies investing in solar power research in the 60's and 70's, then we would be decades behind what we are today. Exxon is also has purchase agreements with Lincoln Clean Energy LLC.

Other oil companies have made similar investments in renewable energy as well such as converting carbon in the air to fuel(Carbon Engineering). This technology actually has the ability to reverse the amount of carbon in the air. If everyone converted to BEV's, then the funding of this research to actually reverse our carbon footprint will dry up.


Yeah, line me up with the gullibles.

For years, I've seen their ads about bio-fuel derived from algae -- and recently, banana peel.

But not a drop out of my gas stations' pump nozzle.

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Hydro dams 7%
wind 6.5%
solar 1.8%

Just 15.3% of present power generation is left!


Nope, 0% is left.

Hydro dams are an ecological disaster. Greenies want them gone.

Wind turbines kill birds and cause health problems in people, not to mention the wildlife habitat that's destroyed in putting them up. Greenies want them gone too.

Solar? Same. Bulldozing wildlife habitats for solar farms is a travesty. Greenies won't let them be built either.


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ShinerBock wrote:

2001400ex wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

2001400ex wrote:



That being said, there's billions of dollars going into stifling research. The oil companies, instead of being on the leading edge of it, are trying to fight it as oil is more profitable now.


This actually not true. If it wasn't for Exxon and other oil companies investing in solar power research in the 60's and 70's, then we would be decades behind what we are today. Exxon is also has purchase agreements with Lincoln Clean Energy LLC.

Other oil companies have made similar investments in renewable energy as well such as converting carbon in the air to fuel(Carbon Engineering). This technology actually has the ability to reverse the amount of carbon in the air. If everyone converted to BEV's, then the funding of this research to actually reverse our carbon footprint will dry up.


I'm aware they make token investment into renewable energy. They also spend a lot of money lobbying to ensure their profits from oil are available. When they could use that money to invest in renewables as well.


Tesla and almost every other major company out there spend millions to lobby lawmakers to better their profitability even at the detriment of taxpayers so there is nothing new here. It seems biases are making it hard to get past a double standard.

Also, companies are suppose to be profitable and invest in what makes them profitable. If they don't, then their shares don't do grow. Many people's 401k retirements and IRA's are invested in those company shares and if they don't do well then their retirements do not either.


You are making my point. Before the EPA and all that, we had Rivers catching on fire and expanding smog issues. If we purely relied on corporations to do what they want, one day we'll be out of oil and they'd just throw their hands up.

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ShinerBock wrote:

2001400ex wrote:



That being said, there's billions of dollars going into stifling research. The oil companies, instead of being on the leading edge of it, are trying to fight it as oil is more profitable now.


This actually not true. If it wasn't for Exxon and other oil companies investing in solar power research in the 60's and 70's, then we would be decades behind what we are today. Exxon is also has purchase agreements with Lincoln Clean Energy LLC.

Other oil companies have made similar investments in renewable energy as well such as converting carbon in the air to fuel(Carbon Engineering). This technology actually has the ability to reverse the amount of carbon in the air. If everyone converted to BEV's, then the funding of this research to actually reverse our carbon footprint will dry up.


Yeah, line me up with the gullibles.

For years, I've seen their ads about bio-fuel derived from algae -- and recently, banana peel.

But not a drop out of my gas stations' pump nozzle.



Well I guess Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and Jeff Bezos are some of those gullible because they are some of the major investors. Oh, and Chevron and BHP are also investors as well.

Also, Audi(VW) is making something similar, and just built a larger scale model of their system.

* This post was edited 03/09/20 12:06pm by ShinerBock *

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2001400ex wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

2001400ex wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

2001400ex wrote:



That being said, there's billions of dollars going into stifling research. The oil companies, instead of being on the leading edge of it, are trying to fight it as oil is more profitable now.


This actually not true. If it wasn't for Exxon and other oil companies investing in solar power research in the 60's and 70's, then we would be decades behind what we are today. Exxon is also has purchase agreements with Lincoln Clean Energy LLC.

Other oil companies have made similar investments in renewable energy as well such as converting carbon in the air to fuel(Carbon Engineering). This technology actually has the ability to reverse the amount of carbon in the air. If everyone converted to BEV's, then the funding of this research to actually reverse our carbon footprint will dry up.


I'm aware they make token investment into renewable energy. They also spend a lot of money lobbying to ensure their profits from oil are available. When they could use that money to invest in renewables as well.


Tesla and almost every other major company out there spend millions to lobby lawmakers to better their profitability even at the detriment of taxpayers so there is nothing new here. It seems biases are making it hard to get past a double standard.

Also, companies are suppose to be profitable and invest in what makes them profitable. If they don't, then their shares don't do grow. Many people's 401k retirements and IRA's are invested in those company shares and if they don't do well then their retirements do not either.


You are making my point. Before the EPA and all that, we had Rivers catching on fire and expanding smog issues. If we purely relied on corporations to do what they want, one day we'll be out of oil and they'd just throw their hands up.



We have had river contamination and added pollution in the air all because of the EPA politics too. Not saying that everything that the EPA(Which was created by Republican Richard Nixon) does everything wrong, I am just saying they don't do every right and people shouldn't just blindly believe that they are doing things for your best interest. There is a lot of internal politics and corruption(going back multiple administrations) in the EPA, and they have been shown to purposely do more harm than good to protect their interest and power on many occasions.

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