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ifd22

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My 2019 fifth wheel that towed level with my 2007 Ram 2500 2wd, now tows 5” nose high with my 2018 Ram 2500 4wd.
I’ve adjusted the pin box all the way up, and couldn’t raise it higher if I could due to bed clearance.
I plan on taking it to a local commercial spring shop to have it lifted 4”-5”. They said they do them all of the time, and they plan on welding a new sub frame on and reattaching the spring hangers.
Has anyone ever “had” a bad experience lifting a trailer?
It’s fairly obvious that higher it sits, higher the center of gravity becomes, but has this ever caused anyone an issue?
They are charging $600 which sounds reasonable considering the work involved.


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Posted: 04/12/20 03:32pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I would rather remove the blocks between the axle and springs on the truck!!
Trucks are made much higher now, I suppose it's some kind of marketing strategy to make the truck seem bigger, more powerful, more manly...etc?? There is no good reason for it in my opinion and if I were to replace my 05 Ram with a new truck this is what I would do immediately. These blocks of steel are removable. You don't have to take them all away, just remove enough to make the bed of the truck lower. I've talked to guys who have done it. The last thing you want to do is raise a trailer, especially a 5th wheel which is already very tall, and cause the center of gravity to be in favor of a roll over in high winds or in a surprise sharp curve. I think 4WD trucks have more blocks anyway to get extra clearance for off roading??!!

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Posted: 04/12/20 03:43pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Most lite version 5th wheels are lower to allow towing by half ton trucks, and also if you have a sub frame built, you might want to allow for the future addition of 16" wheels, and tires.

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I would rather remove the blocks between the axle and springs on the truck!!
Trucks are made much higher now, I suppose it's some kind of marketing strategy to make the truck seem bigger, more powerful, more manly...etc?? There is no good reason for it in my opinion and if I were to replace my 05 Ram with a new truck this is what I would do immediately. These blocks of steel are removable. You don't have to take them all away, just remove enough to make the bed of the truck lower. I've talked to guys who have done it. The last thing you want to do is raise a trailer, especially a 5th wheel which is already very tall, and cause the center of gravity to be in favor of a roll over in high winds or in a surprise sharp curve. I think 4WD trucks have more blocks anyway to get extra clearance for off roading??!!


You would never get the truck to ride low enough and who wants a nose high truck?

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Posted: 04/12/20 04:39pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Don't forget height clearance for the trailer, you don't want to hang up under a low overpass or awning.


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Well you don't want to over lift the 5er, and should measure to top of highest point to be sure not to exceed 13'-6".

Best way to know how high to lift is to find a level lot. With the 5er hitched and weight on TV measure from ground to top of bed rail at hitch pin, call this Measurment1.
Now disconnect the 5er and level front to rear and measure from ground to bottom of the overhang at or near the pin, call this measurment2. Now time for math.
(measurment1+6") - Measurment2 = lift needed, the 6" can be your desired TV to 5er clearance.


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rhagfo wrote:

Well you don't want to over lift the 5er, and should measure to top of highest point to be sure not to exceed 13'-6".

Best way to know how high to lift is to find a level lot. With the 5er hitched and weight on TV measure from ground to top of bed rail at hitch pin, call this Measurment1.
Now disconnect the 5er and level front to rear and measure from ground to bottom of the overhang at or near the pin, call this measurment2. Now time for math.
(measurment1+6") - Measurment2 = lift needed, the 6" can be your desired TV to 5er clearance.


I am at 13' 5", LOTS of room left. [emoticon]

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Posted: 04/12/20 06:08pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Sometimes you just get lucky changing TV's! I didn't make any changes to our new 2016 Ram 3500 and still level.

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I’ve looked at lowering the truck. The 2500 Ram trucks have coil spring rear suspensions with no blocks to take out.
I’ll need to measure, but I think I’m at 12’6”” so I should have room.

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Years ago I did exactly this for a customer's coach, IIRR, it was in excess of 6". It was a low profile 5th wheel, so total height wasn't a real concern. Worked out fine for him.
But as already suggested, double check measurements & what's actually needed before cutting and welding.

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