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blofgren wrote:

Has Michelin discontinued the MS2 and the Defender? I don’t see either available for my truck on their website.


Did another search this morning and the LT235/70R16E Defender LTX MS is still listed. Chris


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Thermoguy wrote:

No one here has said Goodyear...



RedRocket204 wrote:

I'm currently running Goodyear Wrangler Duratac now with about 25k miles and still looking good. I suspect I might get 40k miles out of them. My priorities were around load range E with decent traction on snow.



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alexleblanc wrote:

I swapped out my factory Michelin’s last summer as the we’re getting down to around 5/32 and really didn’t provide wet weather performance anymore. I went with General Grabber ATX in the factory size and have been extremely happy to date. They are very good in the snow and rain, as for wear it’s harder to tell as I’ve only got around 15000km’s on them currently but they have only worn down to 14/32 to date - should be a 60000-70000km tire.


Well i hope your Generals last longer than the OE's on my 11 DRW did. At 25k they only had 1/3 tread left and had a big tread separation on a front tire.


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ppine wrote:

Toyo, Cooper, Bridgestone
I have gotten 60,000 miles from Toyos on an F-350 doing a lot of towing.
I run my rear tires mostly around 60 psi.
I don't normally rotate tires at all.


I wish I would see 60K on my Toyo AT2's , fair amount of towing on my Ram 3500. I will be happy if I see 45K. rotated every 5K. They are run at 80 psi when towing the fifth wheel ,and 45 when solo.

Not sure what brand next, but it won't be Toyo, may try a set of Coopers

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ppine wrote:

Toyo, Cooper, Bridgestone
I have gotten 60,000 miles from Toyos on an F-350 doing a lot of towing.
I run my rear tires mostly around 60 psi.
I don't normally rotate tires at all.


I wish I would see 60K on my Toyo AT2's , fair amount of towing on my Ram 3500. I will be happy if I see 45K. rotated every 5K. They are run at 80 psi when towing the fifth wheel ,and 45 when solo.

Not sure what brand next, but it won't be Toyo, may try a set of Coopers


You are dreaming if you think you'll get much if any more than that out of a real AT tread tire, especially towing or hauling heavy even 50% of the time.
But like everything else, ones definition of when a tire is "done" varies. Driving habits, terrain, climate etc all vary.
However Toyo ATII and Cooper AT3 are a couple of the top performers. Along with the Goodyear AT with Kevlar mentioned above.
Also, if rotating every 5k, you might be doing your tires a dis service. Should be no need to rotate that frequently in most conditions (heavy Mountian driving excepted maybe) and how are you rotating? Just blindly rotating X pattern or just blindly dropping truck at the shop to have someone move the tires around?
If you learn to read the tires wear pattern and its differnet for different vehicles and conditions, and rotate to the optimal position to correct or maximize tread wear, it'll help.

One other tire worth mentioning, even though it's a MT tire and an unlikely candidate at that, is Firestone MT. Bought a set about 5 years ago, for winter tires. Was the cheapest non cheapo brand on Amazon that day, lol. Had them siped, inner tread blocks only. Then left them on year round. Truck mostly hauls camper and tows. Guessing they have around 35k miles or so on them and they are wearing awesome. Still 2/3 tread left and wearing beautifully. They might be the longest lasting tires all things considered I've ever had.
Guessing they're a very hard compound tire, but the siping allows them to have great traction as well.


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Me Again wrote:

I took my Firestone ATs off at 29K(drive around the block and see less tread), the Michelin's Defenders have about 37K on them and are about half worn out.


Seemz ya getz whatz ya payz fer!!!


X2, my oem Firestone HTs were the worst tires I've ever owned. Shot at 24K miles. Great marketing; I'll never buy a Firestone product


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alexleblanc wrote:

I swapped out my factory Michelin’s last summer as the we’re getting down to around 5/32 and really didn’t provide wet weather performance anymore. I went with General Grabber ATX in the factory size and have been extremely happy to date. They are very good in the snow and rain, as for wear it’s harder to tell as I’ve only got around 15000km’s on them currently but they have only worn down to 14/32 to date - should be a 60000-70000km tire.


Well i hope your Generals last longer than the OE's on my 11 DRW did. At 25k they only had 1/3 tread left and had a big tread separation on a front tire.


It’s the newest revamp of their Grabber line, I agree that the **** that got put on as OEM over the last several years wasn’t much good but everything I’ve read and now experienced with the latest batch of new General products has been positive. Normally I run Michelin’s but decided on a change because of all the positive reviews and tests, plus these tires were nearly 600$ less for the set than another pair of the Michelin AT2’s so I figured why not.

I run Defender MS on my wife’s Explorer during the summer and also Pilot Super Sports on the Shelby so I’m quite familiar with the quality and performance.


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Ron3rd wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Me Again wrote:

I took my Firestone ATs off at 29K(drive around the block and see less tread), the Michelin's Defenders have about 37K on them and are about half worn out.


Seemz ya getz whatz ya payz fer!!!


X2, my oem Firestone HTs were the worst tires I've ever owned. Shot at 24K miles. Great marketing; I'll never buy a Firestone product


It has far less to do with brand and far more to do with the sub standard spec tires that that auto mfgs purchase by the millions to shoe new vehicles with.
Typically only low volume”specialty” vehicles get real tires, most models get a cheaper version of a “popular” tire model.

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Ive had good luck with BF Goodrich all terrains KO. Think last time I got around 60,000/


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Grit dog wrote:

Ron3rd wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Me Again wrote:

I took my Firestone ATs off at 29K(drive around the block and see less tread), the Michelin's Defenders have about 37K on them and are about half worn out.


Seemz ya getz whatz ya payz fer!!!


X2, my oem Firestone HTs were the worst tires I've ever owned. Shot at 24K miles. Great marketing; I'll never buy a Firestone product


It has far less to do with brand and far more to do with the sub standard spec tires that that auto mfgs purchase by the millions to shoe new vehicles with.
Typically only low volume”specialty” vehicles get real tires, most models get a cheaper version of a “popular” tire model.


I was at my local Discount Tire today and asked the same question to the salesman. He confirmed that unless you have a high end model like a Denali or something similar, then the Brand X tire that comes on the truck as OEM vs the Brand X tire that you buy at the store are NOT the exact same tires.

He did go on to say that the tires Michelin that are on the Ford's OEM 3/4 & 1T are the same ones that are sold as retail, so if you didn't like OEM, then you're not gonna like the store bought ones expecting a better tire.


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